Imaam Axmed Al-Ghaazi and Nuur Mujaahid and Mareexaan claim

[X.Playa]

Can somebody tell me how the Mareexaan concluded that Nuur and the Imaam was a Mareexaan? and exactly point out which one of their cited sources point at those claims... they cite the following papers.

1. R.Basset (editor, Histoire de la conquete de l’Abyssinie (“History of the Conquest of Abyssinia”), Paris, 1897-1901;

2. Dr. E. Cerulli, “Documenti arabi per la storia dell’Ethiopia,” Memoria della Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Vol. 4, No. 2, Rome, 1931

3. Dr. E. Cerulli, La lingua e la storia di Harar (“The Language and History of Harar”), Rome, 1936

4. Dr. E. Cerulli, “Gli Emiri di Harar dal secolo XVI alla conquista agiziana” (“The Mirs of Harar From the 16th Century to the Egyptian Conquest”),

5. Dr. E. Cerulli, Rassegna di Studi Ethiopici, Vol. 2, Rome, 1942

6. Hadj Yusuf AbdulRahman (editor), Kitab Rabi’a al-Qulub fi Dhikr Manaqib wa Fada’il Sayyidina as Sheikh Nur Hussein (“The Springtime of Hearts in Memory of the Virtues and Merits of Our Lord the Sheikh Nur Hussein”), Cairo, 1927

7. J. Spencer Trimingham, Islam in Ethiopia, London, 1952

8. K. Wndt, “Amharische Geschichte eines Emirs von Harar in XVI Jahrhundert,” (“An Ahmhari History of One of the Emirs of 16th Century of Harar”), Orientalia, Vol. 6, No. ¾, Rome, 1937

[ZubeirAwal]

They became Mareexan in the 1970's , in the book futux-Al xabash its well written that Imam Ahmad was born in Berbera to the ruling Habar Magaadle tribe/Isaaq,

xPlaya u plan to destroy more of their lies?

[X.Playa]

Well i have the book of the Futuux and in no where in it is even somali Imaam nor Isaaq is mentioned , so many myths about this book , but Habar Magaadle is in the book the 4 western Isaaq clans, Mareexaan, Yibirs and people of Mait and Harti , Hawiye is mentioned too as a country/land if my memory service me well, no Samaroon/Gedabursi/Ciise/Dir.

My first question is this they claim Nuur was the nefew of the Imaam , now my question to you is , is it Islamically ok to marry the wife of your uncle?

[Siciid85]

It has already been busted. I have the book myself. In the original 15th century book Futuh Al-Habash ("Conquest of Abyssinia") it mentions two Axmed Guray's one being
Imam Axmed Ibrahim Al Ghazi and the other the tribal chief of the Habar Magaadle - Isaaq. No where does it mention which clan Emir Nur is, infact their whole claim on
Emir Nur is based on the book written by the clueless French man R.Basset which was much later in 1897-1901.


Imam Axmed Ibrahim Al ghazi ( The Imam Ahmed Guray Unknown origin)
Ahmed Guray Husayn ( Leader of the Habr Magaadi - Isaaq).

[X.Playa]

Rene Basset wrote his translation in 1898 , but how can he trasnalte the modern book we have and conclude that Nuur was a Mareexaan? in the book we have the book ends while the Imaam is still waging war and still alife.

There are 2 Axmed and almost dozen Nuur's in the book, but they are distingsuhed by titles and realtionships, for example Axmed "Geri/Gurey" Ibn Xuseen ( the Magaadle Cheif) had a brother Nuur Ibn Xuseen that possibly have married his brother's wife when the former died, as oppose to Imaam Axmed and Nuur Ibn Muhaajid doing the same.

Now another question i have is throughout the book or any other trasnaltions or even the original the name of the Imaam appears as Imaam Axmed Ibn Ibraahim All-Gaazi, no Geri/Gurey in his title in the book the title Geri which could be Gurey or the Geri (tall as giraff) is only applied to the Magaadle chieftin.

Also Imaam Axmed ( i won't call him Gurey for there is no such a thing in the book) had 1 wife Del Wanbara Dughter of Maxfuud his half sister is Munisah dughter of Osman she was married to Garaad Kamaal. Emir Nuur's father is Emir Mujaahid Ali Abdullah Suha it doesn't say in the book that he was married or even related to the Imaam as far as i have read on many times , i could be wrong for the book is confusing and complicated.

So how does this French author makes this percise conclusion of Nuur been somali and even Mareexaan when the book never mentions Mujaahid ibn Ali as even somali?? and who even can prove he did mention Mareexaan in his text , we only have second hand information from the Mareexaan academy of claiming the medivals.

[Colonel]

Nobody knows the origin of the legendary Mujahid Imam Ahmed Al Ghazy (May Allah send us another of his kind) however the Marehan made up a large number of his army in some expeditions.

During the invasion of Abyssinia which followed the Battle of Shimbra-Kure and the expeditions in the Daouaro, the Marehan provided a contingent of 80 riders and 500 infantrymen commanded by Ahmed son of their tribal chief Hirabu. Under the conduct of the vizier 'Addole, they distinguished themselves in the combat of Badegeen...

Hirabu, son of Goita Tedrus, son of Adam, at first refused to join the expedition against Abyssinia however he finally resigned himself to offer a contingent commanded by his son. But his hate towards Harar did not stop. After the expedition in the Daouaro, he killed in Nogob - where the governor was Garad Nasr - one of Sultan Omar ad-Din's page. This attracted an expedition against him in which he submitted himself.

R.Basset (editor, Histoire de la conquete de l’Abyssinie (“History of the Conquest of Abyssinia”)

[Meyle]

If Marexaan existed during 15th century, how come they claim Ismaciil al-Jeberti as their ancestor when Ismaciil al Jeberti died approximately 100 years later. Can a descendant precede his ancestor?

[ZubeirAwal]

How's 80 riders large? i think it's fair enough to say all somalis joined in the jihad, but in particular the jihad set off from the Isaaq lands

Meyle Al-jeberti died before sheikh isaaq arrived in maydh, Sheikh isaaq died in 1327 according to hand-written manuscripts in yemen.

[X.Playa]

No Ismaaciil Al-Jabarti died at 1404 according to his biography, but the daarood claim they supposedly decended from his son Cabdiraxmaan which died some 40 years at least afeter his father Ismaacil , in another word Axmed Gurey's father Ibraahim and Daarood Ismaaciil lived at the same time

[Colonel]

Abukaar where did the Habar Magadi join the jihad with the right intentions or where they forced into it by the Mujahid Imam?

Amongst the Somalis there was a tribe called Habr Magadi to whom the Imam demanded a tax. They refused, ambushed on roads and devastated the land. The Imam advanced until a place called Ra'bud - between the territory of the Muslims and the Infidels - as if he wished to march against Abyssinia, then he whirled toward the land of the Somali raiders (Habr Magadi), they fled. He continued until a day's distance to the sea, plundered their ample territory which he ravaged and then returned.

The Imam took the matter to heart, he gathered an army and marched against the land of Somalis until he arrived at the Habr Magadi who cut roads and plundered the property of Muslims. He defeated them for a second time and took their wealth, he destroyed their cities which he reduced to ashes, then returned to his country.

R.Basset (editor, Histoire de la conquete de l’Abyssinie (“History of the Conquest of Abyssinia”)

[metamorphosis]

No Ismaaciil Al-Jabarti died at 1404 according to his biography, but the daarood claim they supposedly decended from his son Cabdiraxmaan which died some 40 years at least afeter his father Ismaacil , in another word Axmed Gurey's father Ibraahim and Daarood Ismaaciil lived at the same time

Ahmed gurey was born to the Absame people and particularly, the Bartire. The same clan as Wiilwaal. Stop making up stories dude. Ahmed gurey's father did not live the same time as darood himself.

[Siciid85]

Colonel take your french books elsewhere you dumb Cagdheer.

This is Futah Al Habash the original on the Habar Magadi tribe. They fought with the Imam until the last Jihaads they did not bolt like your Darood leader Hirabu.

CONQUEST OF ABYSSINIA

The storyteller, may God have mercy upon him, says: On the left was the Somali tribe of harti, from the people of mait- current day somaliland; a people not given to yielding.There were three-hundred of them, famous among the infantry as stolid swordsmen, In the same way there was the tribe of yibberi, around - four hundred infantry,archers. So the Imam attached them to the five-hundred who held the centre, saying to them, "hold your positions; don't budge, any one of you. 'The tribe of Ahmed Girri Husayn chief of habar magaadi(Habr yunis - Habr awal) were all horsemen, renowned as powerful riders. , The imam arranged his battle information, and each group of Muslims prayed the two-fold prostrations after two-fold prostrations, on account of the great things that had befallen them. The quranic teacher "Abd Allah, dismounted from his mule, took his shield and his sword and humbled himself.

Futah Al - Habasha - The 5th Jihaad

"Their Chieftains, however, stood firm: Mattan Bin Utman the Somali, brother-in-law of the Imam Ahmed, may the Most High God Have mercy upon him, fought a fine Jihaad. Holding firm with was chief of Habar maqdi Ahmed Girri; and Ali Madjira from the tribe of Mattan; and Hussain Musa bin 'Abd Allah Makida and Yusuf Latahia, from the tribe of Ahmed Girri. Their achievements this day truly are God's doing they returned to the side of the Imam Ahmad, may the Most High God have mercy upon him, and his presence fought a bloody fight."

[Colonel]

Qaldaan Siciid don't get emotional, are you now gonna deny the legitimacy of a book in which the author simply translates text from Arabic to French?

[Warsame101]

Going from memory -- Ahmed Gurey's sister mothered Emir Nur (direct maternal uncle - thus making it perfectly permissible to marry his widow); whilst having the same grandfather (need to glance at my notes).

Then you have another main chief, with the same forename, who was basically the elected commander of the Somali forces that were part of Imaam Ahmed's campaign. His name is Garaad Ahmed Hirabu.

Garaad Dawud was the chieftain of the Habar Magaadle whilst Garaad Mataan was the chieftain of the Gerri Kombe.

Another point of clarifiation is that Futuh al-Habash does not mention Emir Nur. The book was authored by Shihab ad-Din, a Yemeni chronicler and was written during Imaam Ahmed's life-time.

Why don't you guys use the search function, I am pretty sure this topic has been re-addressed before.

[Siciid85]

While this was the Darood leader Hirabu bin Goita Tedros bin Adam bolting with cowardice as usual.

”He sent (another messenger) to the tribe of Marraihan whose chieftain was Hirabu bin Goita Tedros bin Adam*, and he also sent (messengers) to the outlying Provinces to spur them on to the jihad, for God, and in the way of the Most High God.


Then Hirabu the chieftain of the Somali tribe of Marraihan, killed one of the equerries of the sultan ‘Umar Din when he was in Nageb. The imam heard about what Hirabu had done, and he said to the Sultan ‘Umar Din, ‘This Somali has acted treacherously towards you and killed your equerry.’ So the imam, and the sultan with him, prepared himself for an expedition and set out and arrived at the country of the Somalis, as far as Kidad. Hirabu. meantime, had fled and was hiding in his own country.The imam asked the sultan, ‘What shall we do now? I am going to send for him to hand over the horses, and to pay the blood-money. If he does so, then all is well: if he does not, then I shall go against him, while you go back to your country.’ So the imam sent to Hirabu to hand over the horses, and to pay the blood-money to some sharifs of the family of Ba’ Alawi, the Husainites, may God bless us through their means.”


the Marraihan was, however, wavering. Their chieftain was a man fond of intrigue and procrastination. Extremely wily, he loved double-dealing and swindles.
The imam organised some of his soldiers and went to the Marraihan and confronted Hirabu and his tribe and said to him: ‘Why are you lagging behind in coming on the jihad? Hirabu complained about his plight, and excused himself on the grounds of his poverty-stricken state.

”Now, having finished this, let us return to the earlier narrative, and look at what happened during the Somali campaign.When news of the imam’s leaving for the outlying provinces of Abyssinia reached them, a certain person, by name Hirabu, a chief of one of the Somali tribes called Marraihan, had arrived half-way along the route to the country of Harar. After verifying the departure of the imam to the land of Abbyssinia, he doubled back and returned to his own country.”