abakar20 wrote:AbuukarSubeer wrote:abakar20 wrote:Najd oo xadiiska lagu sheegay waa kii ciraaq ee dhulka reer tamiim ma aha
Waxas wa been, wallahi inu nabiga inu sheegay wa najdi bani tamiim, soo ken your proves i'll refute it within seconds sxb, thats the biggest lie of an excuse i've seen
You have the wrong mindset, bro. It's like you're looking for any hadith that will score points against a 'sect' you despise. Islam is about seeking the truth, it serves no purpose to follow doubts and desires and use the religion to favor it.
Prove to me that Najd is the Najd of Saudi Arabia sxb since you are so eager to make your point.
First of all there's nothing wrong, you are accusing the prophet of saying something he didn't, so it's my duty to tell you that he referred to the najd of al-yamamah and bani xaneefa and bani tameem, i'm not trying to score points, but it sickens me to the limit when someone refers to some 20th century sheikh's refutation of a saheeh bukhari hadith, if he were referring iraq, wouldn't the great ulama of islam said so? you know how inferior all the sheikhs off post 17th century are compared to the sheikhs of the 7th-16th century?
Now as to the proof
Wahabi say: "we find that this Hadeith does not refer to the Najd (Riyadh) that is famously known in Saudi today, but rather it refers to Iraq".
They say that:
'The Najd for those people living in Madina is in the direction of the East would be Iraq.'
But look at the given map if we see the East from Madina then where Najd is?
To believe that Najd is not in Iraq but in fact in Saudi Arabia. Using their simplistic methodology of “only” Quran & Sunnah, this post will show how relying solely on hadith from Sahih Bukhari and Muslim, one has no choice but to accept that Najd is not in Iraq.
First of all, for those who are unaware of the subject matter , I would like to give you a little background as to why we should even bother debating this issue.
Sahih Bukhari:
Narrated ‘Abdullah bin Dinar:
Ibn ‘Umar said, “The Prophet fixed Qarn as the Miqat (for assuming the Ihram) for the people of Najd, and Al-Juhfa for the people of Sham, and Dhul-Hulaifa for the people of Medina.”
Ibn ‘Umar added, “I heard this from the Prophet, and I have been informed that the Prophet said, ‘The Miqat for the Yemenites is Yalamlam.’ “When Iraq was mentioned, he said, “
At that time it was not a Muslim country.”
[Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 92, Number 443]
Abu Zubair heard Jabir b. ‘Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) as saying as he was asked about (the place for entering upon the) state of Ihram: I heard (and I think he carried it directly to the Apostle of Allah ) him saying: For the people of Medina Dhu’l-Hulaifa is the place for entering upon the state of Ihram, and for (the people coming through the other way, i. e. Syria) it is Juhfa;
for the people of Iraq it is Dbat al-’Irq; for the people of Najd it is Qarn (al-Manazil) and for the people of Yemen it is Yalamlam.
Therefore , there should be no doubt that in fact Najd and Iraq are two different places, and not one and the same, as the pseudo-salafis would have you beleive.
The prophet (SAW)and his as7aabi (R.A) made the distinction between Najd of bani tamiim, and Iraq, and think about it abakar, i'm using the simplistic method of quoting only the hadith, what's next, your going to accuse these hadiths to be da3eef according to a salafi sheikh?
