Should we tolerate the death penalty?

[union]

Lately I've been disturbed by the realization that all throughout this country government agents strap down individuals and terminate their existence forever. Sure many of these individuals are evil criminals who have killed maliciously, deliberately, and with premeditation other human beings, but is the death penalty really an acceptable consequence in a civilized society such as ours? The constitution proscribes "cruel and unusual" punishment, and I scarce can think of anything more cruel and unusual than imprisoning another human being for decades before killing them by intravenously injecting drugs that cause full body paralysis followed by a massive heart attack. I think we should take care to preserve human life at all costs, even the life of those who threaten us and our values. Even the life of terrorists, domestic or foreign. Government sponsored homicide should be the absolute last resort, tolerated only to protect against imminent and unstoppable danger.

[Lillaahiya]

With capital punishment and incapacitation in general, one will run into what Thomas Mathiesen calls false negatives and false positives. It's a slippery slope.

[Basra-]

union aka original

SCREW U.

[Rabshoole]

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

[Thuganomics]

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

Wa lakum fil-qisasi hayatun ya ’ulil-albabi la`allakum tattaqun

[abdikarim86]

This is what I find weird about atheist people.

The death penalty carried out on a dozen or so people per year bothers them
But the industrial mass killing of babies before they're born aka abortion
is under "reproductive rights".

If abortion is a reproductive right ....then whether or not a scumbag murderer is killed
is surely "victims rights"

Give us a focking break you Godless bastard

[ZubeirAwal]

This is what I find weird about atheist people.

The death penalty carried out on a dozen or so people per year bothers them
But the industrial mass killing of babies before they're born aka abortion
is under "reproductive rights".

If abortion is a reproductive right ....then whether or not a scumbag murderer is killed
is surely "victims rights"

Give us a focking break you Godless bastard

[gurey25]

i think the death penalty is a waste of resources, why kill when you can use them as slave labour?
the death penalty should only be for serial killers and child rapists, these 2 are unreformable and cannot live in human society, they are not really human anyways.

for crimes of passion or even pre-meditated murder i still see them as normal people , part of society that can rehabilitated and they should not be killed,
but serve lengthy prison sentences where they provide labour.
Why because every single one of us is capable of murder, its part of human nature, anyone of us will kill and even plan ahead for a murder in the right circumstances.

[Eaglehawk]

I am for death penalty but I am against government executing death penalty, I believe the family should be given the right first and if they decide to delegate the execution toward the government then I am for it

I don`t like how modern western prison system is playing with human dignity and we should always avoid dehumanization, allah gave humans dignity and I believe society that undermines human dignity is not civilized society

Only civilized human being understands me

[gurey25]

I am for death penalty but I am against government executing death penalty, I believe the family should be given the right first and if they decide to delegate the execution toward the government then I am for it

I don`t like how modern western prison system is playing with human dignity and we should always avoid dehumanization, allah gave humans dignity and I believe society that undermines human dignity is not civilized society

Only civilized human being understands me

sometimes you come across as almost sane

[Eaglehawk]

I am for death penalty but I am against government executing death penalty, I believe the family should be given the right first and if they decide to delegate the execution toward the government then I am for it

I don`t like how modern western prison system is playing with human dignity and we should always avoid dehumanization, allah gave humans dignity and I believe society that undermines human dignity is not civilized society

Only civilized human being understands me

sometimes you come across as almost sane

why are you behaving like a virgin girl that lost her virginity and blames me for her lose
did you decide to retire cirwaaq alter ego after I saw through your multiple personality disorder

[gurey25]

cirwaaq is a kindred soul, and i miss his presence, but i am not him.
some people have a life and gurey25 already takes up too much of my time, that i could devote to on other forums.


but yes you are nuts..
its ok somalinet has its share of crazies.

[Eaglehawk]

gurey in the words of Zbigniew Brzezinski "you are stunningly superficial"

[union]

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

Leaves the whole world blind and toothless.

This is what I find weird about atheist people.

The death penalty carried out on a dozen or so people per year bothers them
But the industrial mass killing of babies before they're born aka abortion
is under "reproductive rights".

If abortion is a reproductive right ....then whether or not a scumbag murderer is killed
is surely "victims rights"

Give us a focking break you Godless bastard

People like you demonstrate to me on a daily basis the continued need for abortion.

i think the death penalty is a waste of resources, why kill when you can use them as slave labour?
the death penalty should only be for serial killers and child rapists, these 2 are unreformable and cannot live in human society, they are not really human anyways.

for crimes of passion or even pre-meditated murder i still see them as normal people , part of society that can rehabilitated and they should not be killed,
but serve lengthy prison sentences where they provide labour.
Why because every single one of us is capable of murder, its part of human nature, anyone of us will kill and even plan ahead for a murder in the right circumstances.

I just don't see the "slave labor" of criminals being useful. We'd have to spend considerable amounts of money guarding them, as they are able to turn most anything into weapons to attack people with, and then they'd start competing with law-abiding American citizens for jobs. And then there's the question of whether slave labor itself is humane, even when it's inflicted upon criminals.

I am for death penalty but I am against government executing death penalty, I believe the family should be given the right first and if they decide to delegate the execution toward the government then I am for it

I don`t like how modern western prison system is playing with human dignity and we should always avoid dehumanization, allah gave humans dignity and I believe society that undermines human dignity is not civilized society

Only civilized human being understands me

I am against the idea of the family of the victim being allowed to inflict any type of retribution against the man or woman who has wronged them. I believe the government, with the blessing of the courts and our legislatures, should have a monopoly on violence.

[Eaglehawk]

union

isn`t the role of goverment that of a objective arbiter of justice, why make the govermenr a 3rd wheel in the problem
is it not one of the core ideas of liberalism, the idea of "consent," why take that away from the family of the victim

If they give the goverment consent to enforce justice so be it, but you can`t take away the families right for closure
men is revengeful by nature and that has a healing effect on mans spirit and men is also forgiving and that too has a healing effect on once soul

if the goverment provided the choice to family of the victim, incident like this would not have taken place in public and a great father like the guy in the video would not have been criminalized