Enlightenment in moderation

[AMAT-ALLAH]

''Enlightenment in moderation...''

This seems to be the only feasible way the President of Pakistan is going about his way to aid his country into the convenstional path into 'modernitiy'. Now a country like pakistan with a mass pop. of muslims and a hard-line extremist group at its midst, do you think this concept is a good idea? And rather than pay close attention to Pakistan, try and extract this idea into the somali politics and do u think we could adopt this?

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Any ideas

[dhuusa_deer]

why in moderation? why not excess enlightenment?

[LionHeart-112]

Because the human mind can only handle soo much of one thing at a time..Too much of something can make you extreme. We muslims live a life of moderation..Extremism isnot a good thing and the Prophet (scw) warned about it..

Look at wht happened t oyou when u took Atheism to the extreme..yoiu have become a trained monkey on speed..you are too bigoted because of your extreme views.

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="LionHeart-112"]Because the human mind can only handle soo much of one thing at a time..Too much of something can make you extreme. We muslims live a life of moderation..Extremism isnot a good thing and the Prophet (scw) warned about it..

Look at wht happened t oyou when u took Atheism to the extreme..yoiu have become a trained monkey on speed..you are too bigoted because of your extreme views.[/quote]

you don't know what the human brain can or can not handle science can't, so how the hell do you know?

who said anything about extremism? Enlightenment is positive for human progress, why is excess of it lead you to extremism? I don't follow the logic.

[LionHeart-112]

^^It's common, caqli toban saac. Too much of something isn't good. Try and watching your favorite movie or listen to your favorite album too many times and u WILL hate it. Humans have a very short attention span and too much of ANYTHING becomes distasteful after a while..

That's why the Prophet (scw) didn't lecture after every salaat, a mistake i have noticed some sheikhs at some masjids make. He knew the human mind can only handle so much....u gotta leave people wanting more..Although the saxaba would have loved to listen to him 24/7, he knew they were human and would get tired...

[dhuusa_deer]

LionHeart-112,

"It's common, caqli toban saac. Too much of something isn't good. Try and watching your favorite movie or listen to your favorite album too many times and u WILL hate it. Humans have a very short attention span and too much of ANYTHING becomes distasteful after a while.."

It's not common...you sputtered untenable proposition and now you're trying to defend by saying, "it's common,". How so? Explain.

You said the human brain has a limit and can't handle too much of anything. I explained to you that it is impossible to know that since NO ONE knows the full capacity of human brain. And fully embracing enlightenment can not possible, from logical perspective, lead one to extremism. Enlightenment by its nature is benavolent as it lead ppl to use common sense, base judgements on evidence, rely on science and reasonging to solve life's problems and lead away from ignorance and small mindedness.

So explain how excess enlightenment leads you to extremism.

"That's why the Prophet (scw) didn't lecture after every salaat, a mistake i have noticed some sheikhs at some masjids make. He knew the human mind can only handle so much....u gotta leave people wanting more..Although the saxaba would have loved to listen to him 24/7, he knew they were human and would get tired"

You are comparing apples and oranges. I don't disagree that you anyone will get tired from over exposure or doing something too long. But that is not what we are talking about, is it? We are talking about fully embracing enlightenment with enthusiasm and fervor, enlightenment is not an event you do at one setting, it's a concept

[LionHeart-112]

I meant to say common sense..not just common. You don't need a degree in neuropsychology to know that too much of something is not good. It's the reason why we take few courses a semester, watch few hours of tv, eat till u are full...moderation in everything..

I never said excess enlighement leads to extremism. I was trying to make your little dumbass the point of hte story..

But that's exactly what happened to you..Uwere searching for enlightment by studying evolution and philosophy..look where it led you..u left your own religion and despise your culture...sad..

[LionHeart-112]

It's very easy to blame religion and lack of "enlightment" on extremism while completely avoiding the main sources of "terrorism" or freedom fighting depending on you are. The 2 biggest sources are western policies in the middle east and elsewhere in the muslim world and muslim dictators who are supported and kept in power by western rulers..

[dhuusa_deer]

LionHeart-112,

"I meant to say common sense..not just common. You don't need a degree in neuropsychology to know that too much of something is not good. It's the reason why we take few courses a semester, watch few hours of tv, eat till u are full...moderation in everything.."

But that is not what you said in ur first post. You said the human can handle some much at a time, how do you know that? When you say too much of something is not good for you, its not something you can support, not with science or logical arguement, it is simply your personal opinion. So far, that has been the case.

Now, you say too much of anything isn't good. Is that mean too much of Islam is not good?

"But that's exactly what happened to you..Uwere searching for enlightment by studying evolution and philosophy"

Here you go again, making statements about me as if you have the slightest idea of who I am or what I have done. What is what I have done has to do with anything were discussing?

"look where it led you..u left your own religion and despise your culture"

Your score: 1/2. I left the religion of my parents but don't despise my culture. Try better next time, booby.

[LionHeart-112]

I didn't change my story. I was merely using a different example, seeing as you are the dumbest person alive. Too of everything can be a put off and yes Even too much religion is not good. Which is why i used the first example of the Prophet (scw) not preachign all the time. He allowed time for family, friends, and fun....

I don't need to know you to figure out that you're an idiot.

did u say u don't despise yoru culture?? Do people who love their culture start threads about how much they hate their own people and how backward they are??typical hypocrite..i dont' forget shit..

your score: 0

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="LionHeart-112"]I didn't change my story. I was merely using a different example, seeing as you are the dumbest person alive. Too of everything can be a put off and yes Even too much religion is not good. Which is why i used the first example of the Prophet (scw) not preachign all the time. He allowed time for family, friends, and fun....

did u say u don't despise yoru culture?? Do people who love their culture start threads about how much they hate their own people and how backward they are??typical hypocrite..i dont' forget shit..

your score: 0[/quote]

Yes, you did change your story. You attributed the reason why you think too much of anything is not good to the brain not being able to handle more than one thing at a time. I asked how do you know that since from medicine and science no one knows the full capacity of the human brain. That is what you said and you are still responsible for answering. Your subsequent replies only avoided that poignant question, will you answer or simply admit you were talking from ignorance?

Where did I say i HATE my culture (don't like clanism and i made that clear many times) and ppl. Saying somalis are primative is not same thing as saying I hate somalis

[LionHeart-112]

Let me ask you a question..what happens when some1 stays awake for too long??

Dude, you pretty much told every1 here you hate somalis and muslims..

i gotta go for now..

i will be waiting for the answer to the first quesiton..

[dhuusa_deer]

what is staying up have to do with this discussion? You have to prove why the brain not being able to handle more than one thing at a time is the reason why you can't do something too much.

[LionHeart-112]

^^u didn't answer my question...u knw i was abotu to prove you wrong...if u are a man asnwer the damn question..don't run away as u usually do right before you are outsmarted.

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="LionHeart-112"]^^u didn't answer my question...u knw i was abotu to prove you wrong...if u are a man asnwer the damn question..don't run away as u usually do right before you are outsmarted.[/quote]

your question is stupid and has nothing to do with what we're discussing. Answering it doesn't help your case in anyway. Again, answer my question which I have been asking you since you posted