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Morsi the Islamist shows his true colors once again

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:29 pm
by union
CAIRO — The association of judges here called Saturday for courts across Egypt to suspend all but their most vital activities to protest an edict by President Mohamed Morsi granting himself unchecked power by setting his decrees above judicial review until the ratification of a new constitution.

The judges’ strike, which drew the support of the leader of the national lawyers’ association, would be the steepest escalation yet in a political struggle between the country’s new Islamist leaders and the institutions of the authoritarian government that was overthrown last year. As it spills into the courts and the streets, the dispute also increasingly threatens to undermine the credibility of Egypt’s political transition as well.

A council that oversees the judiciary denounced Mr. Morsi’s decree, which was issued Thursday, as “an unprecedented attack on judicial independence,” and urged the president to retract parts of the decree eliminating judicial oversight.

State news media reported that judges and prosecutors had already walked out in Alexandria, and there were other news reports of walkouts in Qulubiya and Beheira, but those could not be confirmed.

Outside Egypt’s high court in Cairo, the police fired tear gas at protesters who were denouncing Mr. Morsi and trying to force their way into the building, the second day in a row that protesters took to the streets over the presidential decree, which critics have decried as a return to autocracy.

Abdel Meguid Mahmoud, a prosecutor appointed by Mr. Morsi’s predecessor, Hosni Mubarak, declared to a crowd of cheering judges that the presidential decree was “null and void.” He denounced what he described as “the systematic campaign against the country’s institutions in general and the judiciary in particular.”

A coalition of disparate opposition leaders including the liberal former United Nations diplomat Mohamed ElBaradei, the leftist-nationalist Hamdeen Sabahy, and the former Mubarak-government foreign minister Amr Moussa formed a self-proclaimed National Salvation Front to oppose the decree. In addition to demanding the dissolution of the constitutional assembly, the group declared that it would not speak with Mr. Morsi until he withdrew his decree.


“We will not enter into a dialogue about anything while this constitutional declaration remains intact and in force,” Mr. Moussa said. “We demand that it be withdrawn and then we can talk.”

As the judges group called for a suspension of the courts, a growing number of lawyers filed claims demanding that the courts seek to overturn Mr. Morsi’s decree, joining the battle between the executive and judicial powers.

Advisers to Mr. Morsi, a former leader of the Muslim Brotherhood and Egypt’s first democratically elected president, defended his action, saying he was trying to prevent the courts from disbanding the Islamist-dominated constitutional assembly, which is writing a new constitution. The nation’s top courts had already dissolved the Islamist-led parliament and an earlier Islamist-led constituent assembly.

The advisers said a court decision on the new constitutional assembly had been expected as soon as next Sunday.

The judges’ group, as well as the newly unified secular opposition, have demanded that Mr. Morsi withdraw his decree, and that he disband and replace the current constitutional assembly. Many of the assembly’s non-Islamist members, including secularists and representatives of the Coptic Church, had already quit the body to protest the Islamists’ domination.

The increasingly vocal criticism of the assembly threatens to undermine the legitimacy of the ultimate charter, and has only increased the likelihood that the Islamist leaders may seek to pass and ratify it on their own, over the opposition of other groups, further damaging its credibility.

The opposition to the decree has also reinforced the fears of Islamists that judges appointed by former President Hosni Mubarak and the secular opposition were deliberately seeking to derail the process rather than accept their defeats at the polls.

Strange alliances were formed in opposition to the decree. Activists and politicians who previously railed against the government of Hosni Mubarak cheered Saturday for the Mubarak loyalist who served as public prosecutor: Mr. Morsi’s decree sought to replace him.

On Friday night young supporters of the opposition parties set up a tent city for an open-ended sit-in in Tahrir Square, the center of the Egyptian revolt, and the groups have called for a demonstration there on Tuesday.


The Muslim Brotherhood, the Islamist group allied with Mr. Morsi, has called for rival demonstrations nearby on Sunday and on Tuesday, raising the possibility of street fights between the two sides. The Brotherhood demonstrations seek to support his moves as an effort to speed up Egypt’s transition to a constitutional democracy. Mr. Morsi has pledged to relinquish his new powers when the constitution is ratified, perhaps as soon as four months from now.

Near the square, a few hundred young men engaged in an unrelated battle with the police that has been going on for more than five days. They were demanding retribution against security officers who killed more than 40 people and blinded others with birdshot in clashes a year ago. On Saturday they continued to throw rocks and occasionally homemade bombs at rows of riot police officers, who fired back with rocks of their own as well as volleys of tear gas.

The protesters had hung a yellow banner across the street declaring “No Entry to the Brotherhood.” They blame the Muslim Brotherhood for failing to back them during last year’s protests.

On Saturday, most appeared largely unconcerned, if cynical, about Mr. Morsi’s decree, though some approved of his efforts to fire the Mubarak-appointed prosecutor and retry officials previously acquitted of responsibility for the killings. “A drop of honey in a pool of poison,” said Hassan el-Masry, 19, who lost an eye during last year’s clashes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/25/world ... gewanted=2

It was a mistake for the Egyptian secularists to ally with the Islamists, a people known to have no respect for democracy. They should have learned their lesson from the Iranian secularists who joined forces with the Islamists to overthrow the shah, only to have the Islamists usurp power and become even greater oppressors. The Islamist MB reneged on their promise to not seek the Presidency, and they will surly renege on this pledge of making these powers "temporary".

Let Egypt descend into anarchy before an Islamist tyrant armed with an Islamist constitution is forced upon the people.

Re: Morsi the Islamist shows his true colors once again

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:35 pm
by Enemy_Of_Mad_Mullah
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haters gon hate :stylin: :stylin:

Re: Morsi the Islamist shows his true colors once again

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:35 pm
by union
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Takbeer! Angry secularists set a blaze The Muslim Brotherhood's office in Alexandria

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Re: Morsi the Islamist shows his true colors once again

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:36 pm
by FAH1223
so he wants to be Mubarak... who doesn't?

Re: Morsi the Islamist shows his true colors once again

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:37 pm
by Enemy_Of_Mad_Mullah
union wrote:Takbeer! Angry secularists
:lol:

Re: Morsi the Islamist shows his true colors once again

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:42 pm
by union
FAH1223 wrote:so he wants to be Mubarak... who doesn't?
Let this fury of the people spilling out into the streets be a lesson to the hopeful Islamists: There will be no Islamist Mubarak.

Morsi will either retract this decree or his government will collapse

Re: Morsi the Islamist shows his true colors once again

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:43 pm
by FAH1223
I'm sure the liberals would do the same thing

Re: Morsi the Islamist shows his true colors once again

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:21 pm
by Basra-
union---did u expect anything different??? :lol: Power is too attractive to a weak imbecilic human being. Its too irresistible. :lol: Its like saying--if I won the lottery, I wont change. And u mean it, when u said it-- because u r governed by a different reality when u utter those unrealistic opinion. Once u win the lottery, slowly, your former reality vanishes and before long--u r in full force of your true human nature. A man loves power--no question about that. (a third world country man for that matter even WORST)


The moral of this story is how--The Constitution is so important and how America---Got it right! :up: God bless the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! :clap:

Re: Morsi the Islamist shows his true colors once again

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:29 pm
by Leftist
This was a brilliant(albeit premature) preemptive move on the part of President Mursi. There's a coalition of spoilers including remnants of the old regime, disenfranchised generals, and others in the military/intelligence sector who share a hatred of the Ikhwan and were plotting to 'legally' subvert and hinder the progress of Mursi's administration.

It may backfire tho if the protests continue to grow and spread. Still, had to be done. :up:

Re: Morsi the Islamist shows his true colors once again

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:53 pm
by Gantaal05
Morsi seems to have the support of the countries in the Persian Gulf. UAE , Saud,and Qatar

i think the West should support this secularist groups to expand themselves and show their presence that is if the west wants to have partners in the Arab world and in the muslim world in general.

Re: Morsi the Islamist shows his true colors once again

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:08 pm
by faatadugle
Waiting to see how their apologists r gonna spin this. One to feel sorry for Muslim countries though, prolly never have civilized, democratic, liberal societies. so early and the signs are not good.

Re: Morsi the Islamist shows his true colors once again

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:46 pm
by union
CAIRO — Cracks appeared on Sunday in the government of President Mohamed Morsi of Egypt, facing mounting pressure over his sweeping decree seeking to elevate his edicts above the reach of any court until a new constitution is approved.

Mr. Morsi’s justice minister began arguing publicly for a retreat. At least three other senior advisers resigned over the measure. And it has prompted widening street protests and cries from opponents that Mr. Morsi was moving to inaugurate a new autocracy in Egypt, less than two years after the ouster of the strongman Hosni Mubarak.
On Sunday, the first day of business here since the decree was issued, the Egyptian stock market fell by about 9.5 percent, erasing more than $4 billion of value.
Meanwhile, the Muslim Brotherhood’s political offshoot, the Freedom & Justice Party, faced the ire of protesters. Nader Omran, a spokesman for the party, said on Sunday that as many as 13 of its offices around the country had been burned or ransacked


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/26/world ... d=all&_r=0

:up:

Re: Morsi the Islamist shows his true colors once again

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:12 am
by AbdiWahab252
I now understand why REAL Islamists don't believe in elections.

Re: Morsi the Islamist shows his true colors once again

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:15 am
by Brobaganda
Egypt needs a secular hero to rescue them.

Re: Morsi the Islamist shows his true colors once again

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:17 am
by union
AbdiWahab252-

Was I not unjustly labeled an "extremist" when I was denouncing this MB as fraudulent democracy haters a few months earlier?

How are the secularists in Somalia doing? Is there hope for secular government in that unfortunate land?