Arab world: ignorant, unequal, oppressive, and economically

[union]

fragile.


read the UN Arab Human Development Report: http://www.arab-hdr.org/publications/co ... mary-e.pdf

The Arab world is a terrible place. Somalia needs to stop copying them.


STUNNING FACT: "GDP in all the Arab countries stood at $531.2 billion in 1999- less than a single European country; Spain, ($595.5 billion)." (AHDR 2002: p 85)

The CIA World Factbook 2005 (www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html) gives the total 2004 GDP for Arab countries as $1515.5 billion; using purchasing power parity which is a better basis for comparison than national currencies. Spain's GDP for the same year was $937.6 billion. However, it should be kept in mind that a region; an oil-rich region for that matter, is being compared to a single country. Sadly, once GDP is changed to GDP per head of population the picture changes completely and the poverty of the region is revealed beyond dispute. Apart from a few oil producing countries with low populations (such as Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates), GDP per head in the Arab world is generally in the range $4,000 to 5,000. Israel's was $20,800 in 2004, and the economy of that country is supposed to be in real trouble!

[DANGIRL]

Hope an Arab man rapes you.

[AgentOfChaos]

Shut your yapping boy.

[union]

Hope an Arab man rapes you.

Hope an Ethiopian man rapes you. If they haven't already, bitch.

[grandpakhalif]

Somalia post-colonialism has attempted democracy, which collapsed in the face of corruption, nepotism and voter fraud (i.e Wanlaweyn fiasco of 1967). After the successful coup by Siad Barre, scientific socialism combined with secularism propelled the country foward into new heights until the failed Ogaden war resulted in Somalia's economic and eventual political collapse. Chaos and anarchy ensued until 2006 where shariah law was put in place by the ICU until they were dislodged by Ethiopia due to pressure and financial backing by the United States. The extremist Al Shabab replaced them, resulting in horrific humans rights violations including the banning of NGOs during the famine, such policies costs thousands of lives and endangered a nation.

It seems like Somalia has tried many systems which all have failed. I am utterly stumped on how to save this beleaguered nation, doomed and cursed by God she is.

The Arab World is ignorant, and has not produced anything at all, that is the reality. But we as Somalis should not be so quick to embrace the Western model, she itself is on the decline.

What solutions do you wish to put forward, union?

PS: Ignore the incessant trolls, they contribute nothing of value to this forum.

[union]

Shut your yapping boy.

[Methylamine]

Anarchy is the way to go.

[union]

Somalia post-colonialism has attempted democracy, which collapsed in the face of corruption, nepotism and voter fraud (i.e Wanlaweyn fiasco of 1967). After the successful coup by Siad Barre, scientific socialism combined with secularism propelled the country foward into new heights until the failed Ogaden war resulted in Somalia's economic and eventual political collapse. Chaos and anarchy ensued until 2006 where shariah law was put in place by the ICU until they were dislodged by Ethiopia due to pressure and financial backing by the United States. The extremist Al Shabab replaced them, resulting in horrific humans rights violations including the banning of NGOs during the famine, such policies costs thousands of lives and endangered a nation.

It seems like Somalia has tried many systems which all have failed. I am utterly stumped on how to save this beleaguered nation, doomed and cursed by God she is.

The Arab World is ignorant, and has not produced anything at all, that is the reality. But we as Somalis should not be so quick to embrace the Western model, she itself is on the decline.

What solutions do you wish to put forward, union?

PS: Ignore the incessant trolls, they contribute nothing of value to this forum.

Somalia needs to return to being a secular democracy like in the years directly after independence. Yes, there was some corruption and yes there was a little silliness going on at that time, but a weak democracy that is making attempts to improve itself is preferable to the secular autocracy of MSB and the theocratic tyranny of UIC/Al Shabab. I think there also needs to be major education funding by the international community to help alleviate the massive ignorance of the Somali populace so that they can make the correct decisions at the ballot box instead of voting for their tribe, etc.

[SANDIEGUY]

Somalia needs to return to being a secular democracy like in the years directly after independence. Yes, there was some corruption and yes there was a little silliness going on at that time, but a weak democracy that is making attempts to improve itself is preferable to the secular autocracy of MSB and the theocratic tyranny of UIC/Al Shabab. I think there also needs to be major education funding by the international community to help alleviate the massive ignorance of the Somali populace so that they can make the correct decisions at the ballot box instead of voting for their tribe, etc.

Moron

[grandpakhalif]

Union, what type of democracy shall work with Somalis? It is utterly apparent that Somalis value the status of their tribe more than their nation and will not accept any policy that opposes their tribal agenda. How do you suggest that Somalis represent themselves other than the 4.5 system which appeases all clan constituents.

Furthermore, democracy can also bring about new changes to the Somali political landscape like President Mahmoud's "New Blood" party which toes the Islamist line. After twenty-one years under dictatorship and another twenty-one years of anarchy, it’s safe to say that the current generation of Somalis are not accustom with democratic values and principles and will never respect it's ideals. The gun is the name of the game and not the ballot unless a drastic change is made in the Somali psyche.

[Twist]

PS: Ignore the incessant trolls, they contribute nothing of value to this forum.

Oh, the irony!

[union]

Union, what type of democracy shall work with Somalis? It is utterly apparent that Somalis value the status of their tribe more than their nation and will not accept any policy that opposes their tribal agenda. How do you suggest that Somalis represent themselves other than the 4.5 system which appeases all clan constituents.

Furthermore, democracy can also bring about new changes to the Somali political landscape like President Mahmoud's "New Blood" party which toes the Islamist line. After twenty-one years under dictatorship and another twenty-one years of anarchy, it’s safe to say that the current generation of Somalis are not accustom with democratic values and principles and will never respect it's ideals. The gun is the name of the game and not the ballot unless a drastic change is made in the Somali psyche.

Not too long ago, grandpakhalif, you yourself were an ignorant and extreme child acting in the brutish and backward manner of the typical Somali. Today you stand a firm believer in the value of secular democratic government. What has changed? It’s because you’ve enrolled in university and found yourself comfortable employment as a security guard. You feel that you have dignity, a life worth living, and a future worth aspiring toward. That is what the typical Somali, who mostly remain in your previous state, needs. Jobs and education. Feed by their jobs and empowered by their education, the Somali race will stand squarely behind democracy and modernity and Somalia will boldly advance as a leader on the African continent. Unfortunately the leadership of Somalia, especially this current dirt dumb Islamist President, do not place much value in jobs and secular education. There needs to be a regime change. Someone like union needs to lead the nation!

[Twist]

Union, what type of democracy shall work with Somalis? It is utterly apparent that Somalis value the status of their tribe more than their nation and will not accept any policy that opposes their tribal agenda. How do you suggest that Somalis represent themselves other than the 4.5 system which appeases all clan constituents.

Furthermore, democracy can also bring about new changes to the Somali political landscape like President Mahmoud's "New Blood" party which toes the Islamist line. After twenty-one years under dictatorship and another twenty-one years of anarchy, it’s safe to say that the current generation of Somalis are not accustom with democratic values and principles and will never respect it's ideals. The gun is the name of the game and not the ballot unless a drastic change is made in the Somali psyche.

Not too long ago, grandpakhalif, you yourself were an ignorant and extreme child acting in the brutish and backward manner of the typical Somali. Today you stand a firm believer in the value of secular democratic government. What has changed? It’s because you’ve enrolled in university and found yourself comfortable employment as a security guard. You feel that you have dignity, a life worth living, and a future worth aspiring toward. That is what the typical Somali, who mostly remain in your previous state, needs. Jobs and education. Feed by their jobs and empowered by their education, the Somali race will stand squarely behind democracy and modernity and Somalia will boldly advance as a leader on the African continent. Unfortunately the leadership of Somalia, especially this current dirt dumb Islamist President, do not place much value in jobs and secular education. There needs to be a regime change. Someone like union needs to lead the nation!

[grandpakhalif]

Union, indeed I wish a comfortable and prosperous life for all Somali citizens regardless of their clan and if secular democracy can deliver that and allow freedom for all Somalis despite their religion or creed than you can call me a certified believer. Indeed Islam is best practiced in the mosques of the West and not in the culturally debased, hypocrite-filled, woman-abusing quagmire known as the Arab world. God forbid we embrace their methodology for it will bring sadness and utter hopelessness. The Arabs are the laughing stock of the world, right behind the Somalis, yet we see Somalis fawn over Arabs as I once did, what a pitiful state indeed.

[kambuli]

Union,

Have you ever heard the Somali saying, "Habarta odeyga wax loo saar"? Ask your Somali friends to explain it for you...I think it is about time you need to give a rest about hating Islam and anything that smells it..There are more than two billion muslims in this world...It is a shame that you can hate all those people...Please have some rest