A serious problem of integration

[Cumar-Labasuul]

I was meaning to start a thread about this a while ago but never got round to it.
Anyway there seems to be a growing problem between the returning diaspora somalis and the locals. This is to be expected because they were both brought up in very different environments. The locals seem to be envious of the returning flashy diaspora and this, I believe, is the main reason behind the tahriib phenomenon.
The qurba-joog have contributed positively to their homelands but their is a large portion who have brought back disgusting habits. All around the somali peninsula you find them bringing weed, alchohol, introducing clubs/raves and shiisha. That's not to say the locals were innoncent because they too were already doing drugs such as qaad and alchohol has always been available in almost every large somali town/city, just not so publicly. However now it isn't even ceeb to do it.

But what really bugs me is those parents who have failed to raise their kids properly and then just dump them back home (mustaafirey) thinking they will be reformed - nay. What do you think happens when you send criminals/drug dealers/even killers back home with no camal. Well they do exactly what they did in their countries in the west.


Discuss

[salool]

waalidku waligi caruurtisa kama quusto, laga yaaba inay is leyhiin way isbadali.Al hadaaya mina Allah.

[Thuganomics]

When in Rome..

If the so called "Qurbajoog" are going back with some sort of "I'm it" attitude they deserve what ever treatment they get from the local populace
I'm sure if hey get on with whatever project or busines they want to get on with.Nobody is going to be jealous of them or show any animosity in any way
Laakiin if they go on like some dhoocils then what do they expect

P.S.Why do they called themselves Qurba Joogs horta.It's not like they're abroad when they are back home wtf!!

[mcali]

I agree with the above two posters.

People send their kids to somalia as a sort of rehab. It's not that they are dumping their kids but taking them back to their ( the parents )childhood homes

The qurbojoog kids only go wild cause their parents send them alot of money.

Less money less problems

[Cumar-Labasuul]

salool+mcali, I think you guys misunderstood what I said:

But what really bugs me is those parents who have failed to raise their kids properly and then just dump them back home (mustaafirey) thinking they will be reformed - nay.

they dump them there thinking they will be reformed, as in they leave them there for a few years. But how will this change the person. It is they (the parents) who are to blame for neglecting them.

thug, the ironic thing is the majority of those returnees who pretend they are filthy rich are using caydh money - if only the locals saw how these people live i.e. council houses/JSA etc.

I think it is our duty to go back to our motherland with something to benefit it, ileyn bilaash galbeedka kumaynaan joogin, we have to use our education and wealth to benefit it.

[AgentOfChaos]

There are billions of people around the world who grew up in dangerous environment, and have seen so much violence growing up but yet grew up to become pacifists. Are those BILLIONS of people just random anomalies? I don't think so, this whole idea that people are defined by the environment they grew up in is just a generic simpleton's excuse.

[Cumar-Labasuul]

agent, there is a clear gulf between those brought up in the west and those in somalia. If you have been back home, you would know what I'm talking about. Just like for e.g. if I was to marry from back home this would be extremely difficult because of the culture clash (different lifestyle)

[mikexamar]

All this UK kids r raised by a single mom , all der dads r chewing khat , da single mom ladies can't rise 7 children , all this kids were feed by haram money , der parents r to blame feeding their children cayd haram money , doing drugs likke khat, so these kids r a waste cus der parents divorce and raised them in haram houses , somali parents send der kids to Somalia after coming out of jail or recently got involved in gangs well that's to late u have to control ur child in early stages not wen thy are 18 all the blames is on da useless somali parents who don't now how to rise der children 50 percent of somali marriages end up in divorce.

[AgentOfChaos]

agent, there is a clear gulf between those brought up in the west and those in somalia. If you have been back home, you would know what I'm talking about. Just like for e.g. if I was to marry from back home this would be extremely difficult because of the culture clash (different lifestyle)

Well there is your problem, you can't paint everyone with the same brush. I have been back home lots of times, and most people don't see me as diaspora, hell they don't even believe me when I tell them I live in United States.

[Cumar-Labasuul]

agent, there is a clear gulf between those brought up in the west and those in somalia. If you have been back home, you would know what I'm talking about. Just like for e.g. if I was to marry from back home this would be extremely difficult because of the culture clash (different lifestyle)

Well there is your problem, you can't paint everyone with the same brush. I have been back home lots of times, and most people don't see me as diaspora, hell they don't even believe me when I tell them I live in United States.

@ your last sentence. Reer somalia can sniff you out even if you walk and talk like them.
If you don't believe me just ask others who have been back home.

[salool]

salool+mcali, I think you guys misunderstood what I said:

But what really bugs me is those parents who have failed to raise their kids properly and then just dump them back home (mustaafirey) thinking they will be reformed - nay.

they dump them there thinking they will be reformed, as in they leave them there for a few years. But how will this change the person. It is they (the parents) who are to blame for neglecting them.

thug, the ironic thing is the majority of those returnees who pretend they are filthy rich are using caydh money - if only the locals saw how these people live i.e. council houses/JSA etc.

I think it is our duty to go back to our motherland with something to benefit it, ileyn bilaash galbeedka kumaynaan joogin, we have to use our education and wealth to benefit it.

Meshan is fahan la'aan ba ka dhacday baan filaya, suaashi waan kaaga jawaabey laakin aan ku sii yara jillciyo.
Hadaad nolosha ka dhacdid laga yaaba dadku badankoodo inay dan iyo muraad toona ka yeelan.Asxaabta ba ka ordi, macalimiinta aya faraha ka qaadi, maca familigaaga kuwa kula dhashay ba xita laga yaaba inay telefoonka ka qaadin.Dadka kaliya ee ka naxaya ee waliga ka quusan, who never give up on you no matter how bad you're is ur PARENTS.They will do anything to help you thats why most parents send their kids back home.Their last resort and chance, hoping Allah swt will guide their kids to the right path.And believe it or not sometimes it works.Ciyaal badan ba hagaagi marka wadanki lagu celiyey ee ciyaal suuqinta la saaxibka aheyn laga fugeyey.But dhaqan celis only works on kids under 14, waxa inta ka weyn waa to late but but miracles do happen.

So let them atleast try.

[SummerRain]

If I was someone from back home, I would somewhat feel resentful of the diaspora coming back with their higher than thou attitude. And most of them running back home claiming titles they don't have are opportunist losers who could not make it in the West. You hear of taxi drivers holding high level government position and here we are really expecting change to come to these poor people who have been suffering for more than two decades. I for one will not go back to dictate people back home and tell them how to run their lives, the struggles they face should be something that needs to be changed from within, internally, so for someone who has been away for years to be given that job is plain wrong. Especially when these diaspora feel like they know how to fix their lives just because he/she has two years worth of college degree and worked in the welfare office.
As for the kids being dumped in Somalia, you can't blame them, Somalis make the worse parents in the west and they take no initiative to educate themselves on raising children in the west, so their solution like everything else is running away.

[AgentOfChaos]

agent, there is a clear gulf between those brought up in the west and those in somalia. If you have been back home, you would know what I'm talking about. Just like for e.g. if I was to marry from back home this would be extremely difficult because of the culture clash (different lifestyle)

Well there is your problem, you can't paint everyone with the same brush. I have been back home lots of times, and most people don't see me as diaspora, hell they don't even believe me when I tell them I live in United States.

@ your last sentence. Reer somalia can sniff you out even if you walk and talk like them.
If you don't believe me just ask others who have been back home.

Do I really need to ask someone about Somalia since I just told you I have been back home? You know what? Never mind, I give up, you win, and I will just go ahead and jump into that tiny box called diaspora. You're absolutely right, ALL diaspora are the same. It's been nice talking to you sxb.

[mcali]

Salool

Under 14 is a good age for Dhaqan Celis but I've seen 25 year old girls go there as sluts and come back

Cumar

Yes they can notice you by the way you walk and was made fun of the first month for that. After a month my cousins said I walk the same as everyone else.

Rest assured I didn't study their walking patterns.

[Cumar-Labasuul]

If I was someone from back home, I would somewhat feel resentful of the diaspora coming back with their higher than thou attitude. And most of them running back home claiming titles they don't have are opportunist losers who could not make it in the West. You hear of taxi drivers holding high level government position and here we are really expecting change to come to these poor people who have been suffering for more than two decades. I for one will not go back to dictate people back home and tell them how to run their lives, the struggles they face should be something that needs to be changed from within, internally, so for someone who has been away for years to be given that job is plain wrong. Especially when these diaspora feel like they know how to fix their lives just because he/she has two years worth of college degree and worked in the welfare office.
As for the kids being dumped in Somalia, you can't blame them, Somalis make the worse parents in the west and they take no initiative to educate themselves on raising children in the west, so their solution like everything else is running away.

I agree

Salool, you're right but I feel the parents should also go with the child

agent, trolololol