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the somali ancient class

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in the ancient times, there had been mainly three classes.
1-hunter-gatherers wich are very very primative class, infact all humans have once been a hunter-gatherers in their early stages.
2-pastoral societies: here you have a people with more developed culture, intead of constantly hunting eggs, or animals for meat they are domosticating. they also a have private owneship..... there are those who have and those who have not.
3- agricultural societies: this was the most advanced ancient class. besides growing their crops, they can also be agro-pastoral so instead of moving and searching fresh pasture they would improve the pastures themselves in around them for their livestock. the best thing in them is that they are an organized communties with a local market economy and administratio. these are the different socio-cultural backgrounds of the somali pastoralists, the nubian and the abyssinian farmers.
following the introduction of islam and moving toward the north the coastal places, it was introduced the trade and other lifestyles and much of somali class and race have changed.

The Somalis belong to a subbranch of the Cushites, the Omo-Tana group, whose languages are almost mutually intelligible. The original home of the Omo-Tana group appears to have been on the Omo and Tana rivers, in an area extending from Lake Turkana in present-day northern Kenya to the Indian Ocean coast.

The Somalis form a subgroup of the Omo-Tana called Sam. Having split from the main stream of Cushite peoples about the first half of the first millennium B.C., the proto-Sam appear to have spread to the grazing plains of northern Kenya, where protoSam communities seem to have followed the Tana River and to have reached the Indian Ocean coast well before the first century A.D. On the coast, the proto-Sam splintered further; one group (the Boni) remained on the Lamu Archipelago, and the other moved northward to populate southern Somalia. There the group's members eventually developed a mixed economy based on farming and animal husbandry, a mode of life still common in southern Somalia. Members of the proto-Sam who came to occupy the Somali Peninsula were known as the so-called Samaale, or Somaal, a clear reference to the mythical father figure of the main Somali clan-families, whose name gave rise to the term Somali.

The Samaale again moved farther north in search of water and pasturelands. They swept into the vast Ogaden (Ogaadeen) plains, reaching the southern shore of the Red Sea by the first century A.D. German scholar Bernd Heine, who wrote in the 1970s on early Somali history, observed that the Samaale had occupied the entire Horn of Africa by approximately 100 A.D.
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This theory is no longer except since the two Russian linguists discovered Cushitic languages are sprachbund (languages forming a language family related by influence of geographical proximity rather than actual linear origins).

The linguistic theory (and it is also biological theory of the "founder effect") says where the greatest DIVERSITY or variations of languages in a language family exist, this is where it originated. It is from biology says where the greatest diversity or variation of a gene exist is the origins of the gene and founders carry it out of the group leading to loss of genetic variation.

Basically the theory was Cushitic is a language family. The greatest variations/diversity of the Cushitic languages exist in the Lake Tana zone ( opposite to say most of the Horn peninsula which contains only Somali--basicly no diversity of Cushitic languages therefore a founder effect) so therefore Lake Tana must be the home of the Cushitic languages and founders carried out Somali and Oromo and Afar, to greater lands where a loss of variation occured and sameness occurred.

Biologically this is would be a sound theory (and for a long time it defined Cushitich language origins) until the bomb of the Russian linguests. The couple analyzed that Cushitic languages are a sprachbund and not from similar origins. Sprachbund are languages who today comprise the same language family but because they influenced each other over a long period of time by geographic proximity and displacement, convergent principles. The southeast Asian languages like Vietnamese, Cambodian are a famous sprachbund example.

If the Cushitic languages are not even from the same origins, you cannot apply the founder effect and you cannot infer ethnic origins.
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Listen to the words these Rendile kids are using for

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Rendille were considered "disassociated Somalis" by some of the British colonial literature I have read. Oddly enough the fellow Cuahitic speaking Muslim Afar who are culturally and socially a carbon copy of us Somalis do not claim but these pagan Rendille in Northern Kenya who are today very Nilotic in culture are claimed by Somalis as being lost. It shows you their unique resemblance to us in speech and phenotype. My theory is they dispersed during the Ajuuraan fall and genetic drift occurred culturally or maybe they were a small band who escaped widespread Muslim conversion.
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Interesting fact, ancient Egyptian word for cat is Baset (hence the goddess Bastet). Somali word for cat is Bisad. :ugeek:
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Thug Rendile are somalis as they were Islam reaches them.
The language is the same except that modern Somali is heavily influenced by arabic.

Afar r not carbon copy of Somalis...they differ by history, culture and language. :D
Afar language is in no way close to somali...

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bareento wrote:Thug Rendile are somalis as they were Islam reaches them.
The language is the same except that modern Somali is heavily influenced by arabic.

Afar r not carbon copy of Somalis...they differ by history, culture and language. :D
Afar language is in no way close to somali...

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Looool, is this raw meat eating, cow blood drinking pagan still roaming our forum? Somalis have nothing to do with rendille. Some of their words might sound like Somali words but we have Somali words that sound like Arabic words (that are not Arabic or have Arabic origin) but that doesnt mean our language is Arabic or that we are Arabs. Rendille also mix heavily with Maasai, which makes them nilotic and if they would be close to non nilotic groups it would be Ormas and the Boranas not Somalis. Afar in Djibouti have a very close connection with Somalis and all Afar wether Djibouti, Eritrea or Ethiopia, share some history with us like the Adal and Ifat sultanate. Their language is closer to Saho but genetic wise and historically they are close to Somalis.

And ohh I forgot.... in due time Oromos will be expelled from Dirdhaba and Harar just like the old days.
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Greetings Mujaahid MeyleSamaale, the product of drunken soldier's rape in a cemetery (or was it a mosque?),

How u doing?

Care to say more on wat u share with Afars apart being neighbours?

Btw HNY :up:

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PS somali and rendinle languages share 90 % of their vocabulary.
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More topics such as these please.
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bareento wrote:Greetings Mujaahid MeyleSamaale, the product of drunken soldier's rape in a cemetery (or was it a mosque?),

How u doing?

Care to say more on wat u share with Afars apart being neighbours?

Btw HNY :up:

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PS somali and rendinle languages share 90 % of their vocabulary.
Loooool, you mean your the product of Habesha rape for the last 2000 years. You blood drinking cannibal.

Afar and Somali share history, unless you forgot the Somali dominated Ifat and Adal sultanate had major Afar influence. Afar lived in Harar with Somalis when the the city wall in Harar was created to keep out the pagan Oromos. If you go back thousands of years, to the times of Ancient Egypt, if you know anything about the Land of Punt, you would know it stretched from southern Eritrea to northern Somalia, thus Somalis and Afar have always had a connection.

Show me proof that Somali and Rendille share 90% vocabulary.
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Come on thousands of years ago there were no somali or afar.

Building the city wall was not a brilliant idea me thinks... for today u are no where to be seen around the city :D

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I rest my case on Reerdinles! ask the exotics of the south tey will tell u.
I even read somewhere some specific subclans of yours claimed being them when they go to kenya :mrgreen:

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bareento wrote:Come on thousands of years ago there were no somali or afar.

Building the city wall was not a brilliant idea me thinks... for today u are no where to be seen around the city :D

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I rest my case on Reerdinles! ask the exotics of the south tey will tell u.
I even read somewhere some specific subclans of yours claimed being them when they go to kenya :mrgreen:

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Loool we'll get the city back and Dirdhaba, mark my words friend. Since you couldnt provide proof I rest my case. Somalis and Rendille are nothing to eachother.
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Meyle,

I disagree. RerDinle are one of the lost sons of Dir. They were a pious group of Somalis until the great Muslim-Gal wars. Legend has it that their wadaad class hid their kitaabs on a mountain to protect them from raiding Gal. In the end, the books became lost and with the rise of the Gal hostility, the RerDinle became nonMuslims.


Barento,

Happy New Year my cousin from the blessed motherland. How are you ? We must pray that 2013 is a prosperous year full of good rain and peace. We must ask Eebe that there be peace so that the farmers can till their lands and the nomads graze their livestock in peace.
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AbdiWahab252 wrote:Meyle,

I disagree. RerDinle are one of the lost sons of Dir. They were a pious group of Somalis until the great Muslim-Gal wars. Legend has it that their wadaad class hid their kitaabs on a mountain to protect them from raiding Gal. In the end, the books became lost and with the rise of the Gal hostility, the RerDinle became nonMuslims.


Barento,

Happy New Year my cousin from the blessed motherland. How are you ? We must pray that 2013 is a prosperous year full of good rain and peace. We must ask Eebe that there be peace so that the farmers can till their lands and the nomads graze their livestock in peace.

:pac: :pac: :pac: :pac:


Wallee A/W you're a funny oday I got to say. Rendille have nothing to do with Somalis. They worship Waaq like Oromo and pre historic Somalis even though Somalis had many other dieties like Hobaal, WAD, Baal etc. Even if you lose your religious scriptures, you dont become a savage. I know non muslim Somalis but they wouldnt flash their tits nor would they drink cow blood or eat raw meat. Waxaasi waa dhaqanka qotida. Where is Rabshoole and Mcali, if I was them I would expect xaal from you sxb. You just disrespected a noble clan, who came down south maybe around the time of Axmed Gurey or 200 years after that because the ancient land of Dir is central Somalia, northern Somalia and Western Somalia or the Somali region of Ethiopia.
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AbdiWahab252 wrote:Meyle,

I disagree. RerDinle are one of the lost sons of Dir. They were a pious group of Somalis until the great Muslim-Gal wars. Legend has it that their wadaad class hid their kitaabs on a mountain to protect them from raiding Gal. In the end, the books became lost and with the rise of the Gal hostility, the RerDinle became nonMuslims.


Barento,

Happy New Year my cousin from the blessed motherland. How are you ? We must pray that 2013 is a prosperous year full of good rain and peace. We must ask Eebe that there be peace so that the farmers can till their lands and the nomads graze their livestock in peace.
Greetings AbdiWahab,

Thank you and Happy new year for u and all yours too!

Amin my good friend, May Waaq shower his Mercy on his children!

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