James Dahl r u around?

[bareento]

Greetings Mujaahid James!

I discovered a new theory about the medieval muslim sultanates of the horn...

Have u read the Futuh l Habesha? Important information about the identity of those sultanates is in that document.
Even the word Orma is found in that document.

B.

[James Dahl]

Orma is mentioned in the Futux? o_O

[bareento]

YES , indeed!

here r the excerpts..
"From Maya, the Muslim Army went to the land of Aran where thy looted and destroyed. From there they went to the land of Orom...where the Muslim Army
was attacked by Infidels...."

I am reading a ground breaking book about oromo medieval history...affirming current showa province as the ancestral land of oromos.
Its partially based on close study of Oromo clans, and ancient written histories.
He also has a theory on where the name Gallaa come from.

B.

[Hyperactive]

james is like that cubian weirdo luis. once you mention somali history, dna. he shows up from no where. having said that , lol, can you pm me that somalinet dna sheet of yours, please? thanks

[James Dahl]

james is like that cubian weirdo luis. once you mention somali history, dna. he shows up from no where. having said that , lol, can you pm me that somalinet dna sheet of yours, please? thanks

I mostly lurk, I only post when I feel like I have something worth saying.

I think you're looking for this ? : https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key ... utput=html

There are two books I'd like to buy, there is an english translation of the Futux, and the History of the Oromo until the Sixteenth Century by Alemayehu Haile

[bareento]

James,
add to your list the "Contours of the Emergent & Anient Oromo Nation" by Mekuria Bulcha.
I think its available in the Americas.

He has a lot to say about ancient showan muslim Sultanates and the so called Oromo migration.

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[gurey25]

barentoo showa and oromo homeland???

i am deeply interested, i always thought it was the tana river region where the borana live today,
supposedly somalis are also from the same area.

A showa origin would confirm a nile valley origin, because this is exactly the direction various populations in kush from meroe immigrated to.
the first to move where the nomads/semi nomads, followed by the settled population when the country was over run by axumties and the nuba from the west.

[bareento]

Gurey, I think u got this right.

According to ancient Abyssinian writings and the observation of oromo clan ditribution...Showa was the heartland of Mediaval Oromos.
Its even written that there were kingdoms led by Mooti Lammii governing from Maalbareeda...pure Oromo terms.
Besides the name of the clans Galaan, Yaayyaa etc...the name of the leaders Dabala , Laaloo ...(oromo names still in use)

Last but not least, one of the few places/rivers bearing the name Oromo is around the nIle River...its name is Oromo River documented since
before the so called oromo migration.

B.

[James Dahl]

The various theories I've read from Oromo authors point to the land around the Bale Mountains as the homeland of the Oromo people.

If you read histories from the medieval period and earlier there used to be a lot more tribes in the Horn of Africa, like the Maya and the Dobe'a who have all be absorbed into Oromo and Afar clans nowadays. It's too simple to say Oromo originated from the Bale region and spread out, because in addition to migration there was also a great deal of absorption. For that reason I believe the Oromo nation has multiple origins, and have come together into one nation from many different origins.

To a certain degree I believe the same is true of the Somali and Afar nations, many origins into one. I have a suspicion that the Somali clans are not so recent as you would be led to believe, and are in reality much older.

[bareento]

greetings James!

The book I gave u the reference deals also with your counter theory.
Its true a theory cannot be solely based on clan names as clans might be absorbed in a nation.

Lets imagine that the Maayaas and Dobea's were none oromo clans living around Showa who r absorbed later.
But how can u explain that there r Maayaas and Dobe'as in Hararge, Boorana, Wallaggaa etc...

The only sane explanation is that at a time numerous oromo tribes had left their ancestral place and took refuge in Baalee from Abyssinian and Arab/Muslim
invasion and slave trade. Reorganized they went back to their ancestral lands in wats known as Oromo Migration.


Besides, if one closely looks at wats presented as Oromo Migration ...there r two important points.
i) Why would Oromos attack directly the then two major Powers of the region?
If their movement were due to population increase wouldnt have been easier and more cost beneficial if they attackd toward south west
where its easier at least militarly to get land?
ii) How can one explain the sudden increase of population in the then Baalee, which was subject of abject slave trade of the non muslims or non christians.

One explanations is that Oromos were pushed out from North by Abyssinians and Muslim powers.
They take refuge in large number in Baalee ....reorganized and fought back...to gain their lost lands...thats why they didnt move west wards right from the beginning.

Oromo oral tradition presents wat happened after Reorganization. In fact thats why when Abbaa Baahreh wrote his book Oromo clans were already
full fledged clans encompassing the Maayaas, the Dawaros etc....
If these people were not oromos how come they r fully oromos right at the begining of the so called mmigration.

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[James Dahl]

The Maya were mercenaries who fought on behalf of the Abyssinian Empire over a thousand years ago, centuries before the Oromo migration. They were deadly archers who fought with waabaayo tipped arrows, and were a pastoral people, they lived in the far south in Wej and were primarily cattle herdsmen. They were difficult to defeat because of their dangerous skill with the bow, luba Birmaje countered this with the now-characteristic body-length oxehide shields and defeated the Maya in the 1580s. Only after their defeat did they join their conquerors and the migration north.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oromo_migrations

The Dobe'a had a metropolis called Manadeley on the edge of the Ethiopian Highlands in the 1400s, long before the Oromo migrations, and were successful merchants. Some Dobe'a today are Oromo, others are in the Red or White Afar confederacies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dobe'a

[bareento]

James, wat u presented take as prerequisit the fable of oromo migration...and presents everything pre the oromo migration as non oromo.

I believe that those Maayas were the ones who stayed back and most integrated in Abyssinia.
If not how can u found them south of Waaj.
The word, name and clan Maayaa is over all oromo land: In east hararge alone there r Maayaa Guddo, Maayaa Qalloo two historic places.
a lake Hara Maaayaa... and many subclan names.
How explain this fact...If Maayaa were a small clan in showa we can say they were adopted etc etc...

The other clan mentionned in abyssinian texts in pre oromo migration time is Galaan.
Today u can find Galaan in every Oromo Tribe.

I think there r a lot to discover about the horn of africas tribe...and I believe the fable of oromo migration is living its last days.