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Comment posted on Hiiraan hits nail on the head

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Somalia is failed state because her people were not ready for statehood before it was thrusted upon them. Even on this forum you will see them talk about what clan did what to whom and what clan is better.
I could sugarcoated but truth is the best elixir for infectious ignorance. We are primitives. Look back in history and tray to remember one common Somali state or even a long lasting regional state that was not based on clan. We are being forced to wear clothing that was made for someone else. We are told to adopt nation state governing framework when there is no nation to speak of.
It's like Arab/Muslim nations adopting western TV-news presenter cultural frame (jackets, ties, a male and a female) looks awkward.
Or Somalis now opening beach front restaurants when there is no beach culture, looks awkward seeing a woman in her full ninja attire popping up and down in the shallow waters.

States are organic thing, they arise when citizens realize that they have common dreams, fears and vision for tomorrow; we haven't reached that place yet. So dear clan warriors you have won, now tray to build a clan-state in your territories, you will realize and "Darood" or "Hawiye" or "Majeerteen" are just an illusion these are ideas that unite when there is an external enemy but absent of that, they mean nothing, as evidence take what is happening in Puntland and Kismayo.

Being a Majeerteen means as much as being Somali when there is a Mareexaan present but the moment that Mareexaan leaves..being Majeerteen means next to nothing. The same is with being a Hawiye or Abgaal or Isaaq. The only constant is the individual, to succeed and find the peace and nationhood that have eluded them for so long Somalis have to become fully individuals, the needs and rights of the individual must supersede that of the clan, peace comes when the rights of the individual, his life, livelihood and limps are protected by the law. We have shown ourselves to thrive under such a system (United States).

apropos the Turks:

The Turks are imperialist if you think they are benevolent just ask the Kurds. So it's very important for History-less Somalis to remember that. it's generally so that two people who have different needs cannot understand each others intentions. What the Turks need is national glory and prestige, in the hierarchy of needs that would be equivalent to self-actualization. Somali on the other hand need food/security which is at the bottom of the hierarchy of needs.
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Re: Comment posted on Hiiraan puts hit nail on the head

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I don't like how the author of that comment mentions my clans name in a negative context, the primitive Somalis are those who destroyed the Somali state and failed to build a new one. Since Marehan/Mareexaan were not and still are not involved in any anti-government movements, our name should be left alone when discussing the primitive backward state of Somalis.

I believe generalizing the entire Somali population is wrong and not very much conducive to any healthy discussion, see there are certain tribes/clans that have not been involved in anti-government movement such as SNM, SSDF, USC etc and even mentioning those movement one must remember they are not all the same, some of them did indeed have legitimate elements within them however they all contributed to the destruction of the last government.

we need to stop simplifying the Somali issue, clearly there are segments of the society who are primitive and incapable of partaking in statehood, but not everyone falls under that category, infact I can list clans, subclans who have had none or very close to no involvement in the destruction that has been on going 1990-present apart from acts of self defense, which in the Koran is permitted.
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Re: Comment posted on Hiiraan hits nail on the head

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With the MX the person was trying to contextualize the value of the Somali clan, It don't think it has anything to do with the primitiveness of Somali society or MX's primitiveness in that case.

Although I agree with him in the fact that Somalis fail to organize themselves in a way that benefits them and not foreign interests. It's most embarrassing to see Somalis taking advice from the west on how to be democratic - as if Somalis even know what democracy is.
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Re: Comment posted on Hiiraan hits nail on the head

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Da commentor didn't mention how mjs n abgals were slaves of italians thy were landlords then 1960-1969 thy ruin da nation wit 112 parties , 3,000 MPs. Eleys wanted federalism 1947-1959 darods told eleys no federalism is bad for somalia.
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