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DNA ancestry tests branded 'meaningless'

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:47 pm
by Arabman
12:01AM GMT 07 Mar 2013

Commercial DNA tests that claim to tell people whether they are related to Richard III or descended from the Vikings are no more than "genetic astrology", scientists have warned.
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Customers are being charged up to £300 to learn whether they have links to famous people or societies despite the fact many of the tests are not backed up by scientific evidence, experts said.

The amount of DNA any individual inherits from relatives just a few steps up their family tree is negligible compared with the vast amount we all share from common ancestors.

It means any ancestral "history" identified by a simple genetic test is just one of dozens of possible interpretations, and to try to trace our lineage directly through our genes is "absurd", they claimed.

Private genetic tests have become big business in recent years, with many companies offering tests which claim to identify whether people are related to famous figures such as Napoleon or Cleopatra, or have DNA from specific racial groups.

Last year the website ancestry.com was valued at $1.6 billion (£1 billion) and at least 40 companies offer genetic ancestry tests around the world for prices between £30 and £300.

At the recent Who Do You Think You Are? Live roadshow in London, customers were offered a range of DNA tests claiming to determine whether they were related to Richard III or descended from Roman soldiers.

A warning about the accuracy of the tests was made by the Sense About Science campaign group, which said "such histories are either so general as to be personally meaningless or they are just speculation from thin evidence."

The warning was backed by a number of leading genetics experts. Steve Jones, Emeritus Professor of Human Genetics at UCL said: “On a long trudge through history – two parents, four great-grandparents, and so on – very soon everyone runs out of ancestors and has to share them.

"As a result, almost every Briton is a descendant of Viking hordes, Roman legions, African migrants, Indian Brahmins, or anyone else they fancy.”

His colleague Prof Mark Thomas said: "These claims are usually planted by the companies that provide these so-called tests and are not backed up by published scientific research. This is business, and the business is genetic astrology.”

Tracey Brown, Director of Sense About Science added: “Genetics researchers are telling us that you are better off digging around in your loft than doing a DNA ancestry test if you want to find out about your family tree."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scie ... gless.html

Re: DNA ancestry tests branded 'meaningless'

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:54 pm
by AbtiiDoon
Cadaan aqli yaraa.

Re: DNA ancestry tests branded 'meaningless'

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:50 pm
by Arabman
According to some genomics experts, autosomal tests may have a margin of error up to 15% and blind spots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogic ... #Drawbacks

Re: DNA ancestry tests branded 'meaningless'

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:51 pm
by Insomniac
Are you implying that I am not a descendent of Arabs? Of the great house of Banu Hashim?

Re: DNA ancestry tests branded 'meaningless'

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:52 pm
by grandpakhalif
F*ck your DNA

Re: DNA ancestry tests branded 'meaningless'

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:15 pm
by Arabman
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Scientists say DNA analysis can say very little about an individual's ancestry

They say "the genetic ancestry business uses a phenomenon well-known in other areas such as horoscopes, where general information is interpreted as being more personal than it really is".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21687013

Re: DNA ancestry tests branded 'meaningless'

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:17 pm
by ToughGong
All their knowledge is just Than.There are no facts

Re: DNA ancestry tests branded 'meaningless'

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:44 am
by Arabman
ToughGong wrote:There are no facts
There's horoscope, but some badly want it to be the truth.

Re: DNA ancestry tests branded 'meaningless'

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:46 am
by Insomniac
I AM AN ARAB AND I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU SAY.

Re: DNA ancestry tests branded 'meaningless'

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:01 pm
by Arabman
My Shocking DNA Test Results
I’ve recently received some shocking, life-altering news. My whole world has changed. I’ve lost all sense of identity and have so many questions. I took a DNA test and discovered I’m not who I thought I was.

The test, which I purchased through Living Social at a deep discount, is designed to tell you the top areas of the world whose current people have genes similar to yours. It doesn’t necessarily mean that your family is originally from that location, but it can be reasoned that if you have similar DNA, then you could possibly have ancestral connections to that place. That’s what the company’s website says anyway.

I received the test in the mail and after a few quick swabs of the mouth, I sent the sample back and waited. About 8 days later, the results were accessible online. They tell you the top 10 countries you’re connected to, along with some scientific gobbly gook that means nothing to the average person.

Before I give you the results, first let me tell you what I was expecting. As a white girl with known ties to England and Germany, I was expecting mostly European countries to pop up. In fact, I thought for sure there would be nothing new to learn or anything to gain from taking the test. I just thought the whole thing was interesting and that it would be cool to verify what I already knew.

Without further ado, I give you the results. Here are the countries that I have the greatest gene resemblance to:

1.Somalia
2.Sudan
3.Spain
4.Brazil
5.Morocco
6.Qatar
7.Afghanistan
8.Venezuela
9.Turkey
10.Columbia
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Yes, you saw right. I’m African.
http://curlycarly.com/2012/07/23/my-sho ... t-results/
Here's her picture:
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Re: DNA ancestry tests branded 'meaningless'

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:07 pm
by Insomniac
Ha! Silly bitch.

Re: DNA ancestry tests branded 'meaningless'

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:34 pm
by LiquidHYDROGEN
Saying E1b1b is a somali gene is like saying J1 is an Arab gene. Stupid people.

Re: DNA ancestry tests branded 'meaningless'

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:00 pm
by Grant
Choice of company is important. Find out if they test at least 15 loci.

http://www.dna-geneticconnections.com/dna_accuracy.html

Re: DNA ancestry tests branded 'meaningless'

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:14 pm
by ZubeirAwal
abdi.ismail wrote:Saying E1b1b is a somali gene is like saying J1 is an Arab gene. Stupid people.
What amazes me is you and other forumers will only believe a members claim to ahlulbayt by having a J1 haplotype, as if you know the dna of the hashimites yourself, when there are several hashemites who posses the e1b1b, but oh wait you will say their claim is valid because their skin is light, :snoop:

Re: DNA ancestry tests branded 'meaningless'

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:58 pm
by Insomniac
Abkar, you are tedious.