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Syrians say haati minal akhir/sheekda gadaal ka soo qabo also somalis say isku soo wada doob

Addis talks depend on ethiopia since they are going to that region

There is a competition between uganda, kenya and ethiopia for influence in somalia, thus, uganda gives amisom the central role while ethiopia and kenya want to protect their own interests and watch closely.

According to this american professor, "the deadlock will still persist"

He says the multi-amisom initiative needs the funders support and that why ethiopia is going there instead otherwise the govt needs to convince their funders
Short-Range Forecast

Whether the T.C.C. decision to support the S.F.G. in “establishing its authority in the Jubba regions” presages an S.F.G. takeover of Kismayo’s airport and seaport, and, therefore, the crippling of the Jubbaland administration; or it is yet another complication in the persisting deadlock depends on whether AMISOM deploys a multinational force in Kismayo.

At present, there are several steps still to be taken if the multinational force is to come into being. Firstly, AMISOM and the chiefs of Ethiopia’s and the S.F.G.’s defense forces have to work out the “modalities and operationalization” of the force. The plan must then be approved by the Western powers that bankroll AMISOM. Finally, the plan must be implemented in the face of Kenya’s and Jubbaland’s opposition. Each of those steps is fraught with difficulties.

What the composition of the force would be is unspecified. On August 6, Uganda’s New Vision newspaper reported that it would be an Ethiopian Defense Forces, Somali National Army, and K.D.F. operation, which, if that were to be the case, would place the conflict directly at the heart of its proposed resolution. As for the Western “donor”-powers, a closed source reports that Great Britain, which has taken the lead role among the “donor”-powers, is pressing the S.F.G. to stop opposing the Jubbaland administration and to concentrate instead on speeding a permanent constitution for Somalia, revealing a divergence between the “donor”-powers and the T.C.C. (Uganda).

That neither Kenya nor the Jubbaland administration seems ready to concede to Uganda and the S.F.G. makes it likely that the deadlock will persist. The S.F.G. scored a diplomatic victory, but the costs of turning it into a decisive change in the balance of power appear to be prohibitive. The S.F.G. would need greater support by more external actors to make the T.C.C. decision stick.

It should always be remembered that the conflict in Kismayo is likely to decide what kind of political organization – centralized federalism (S.F.G.) or decentralized federalism (Jubbaland) – Somalia will have, if any.  The parties to the conflict have lost sight of its importance and are engaged in “rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.”

Report Drafted By: Dr. Michael A. Weinstein, Professor of Political Science, Purdue University in Chicago  weinstem@purdue.edu
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Hey Sahal, Dhanaan news reported that the interior minister has left to Adis-ababa to sign the agreed agreements, so I think if this is true then all is well!
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Its a win Win situation for Jubbaland.
Culusow was never genuine.The only language hutus understand is Karbash.
The Addis meeting is a media stunt.
HAG are not good spin doctors but amateurs.They sent illiterate qurbajoog fadhi kudirir and marfish specialists to the table.
What HAG forget is this is not an Israeli-Palestine peace conference where Israel has upperhand while palestinians are toasted.
We have a toothless tribal president who beleives he has absolute powers.
we know Culusow went to Addis due to the pressure asserted on him by IC he will be a losser if he doesnt sign the paper.He has no achievement to brag about his one yr in office.Insecurity is high in Mogadishu with the resurgence of Al Shabaab.He has fallen with every stakeholder in the region after having been hard headed on implimenting policies that create a wedge.Its a matter of time that the IC will withdraw its support.Everyone knows HAG are arming themselves but Jubbaland will be a Stalingrad for hutus and a shocking awakening.
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^^^Brother what do you mean a win win situation, have they reached an agreement?
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Individual wrote:Hey Sahal, Dhanaan news reported that the interior minister has left to Adis-ababa to sign the agreed agreements, so I think if this is true then all is well!
He is a hardcore and is againist the recognition also the hardcore cabdi xoosh ex minister of dastuurka is arriving .

As you read for the professor, the donors have told the govt to compromise. this group doesn't want to compromise I also heard a new govt position wich is instead of saying the rest of maamulka should be installed by the govt, they are saying now the vice president should be from a different clan according to these reports.
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sahal80 wrote:
Individual wrote:Hey Sahal, Dhanaan news reported that the interior minister has left to Adis-ababa to sign the agreed agreements, so I think if this is true then all is well!
He is a hardcore and is againist the recognition also the hardcore cabdi xoosh ex minister of dastuurka is arriving .

As you read for the professor, the donars have told the govt to compromise. this group doesn't want to compromise I also heard a new govt position wich is instead of saying the rest of maamulka should be installed by the govt, they are saying now the vice president should be from a different clan according to these reports.
I don't think Sahal, that both sides will leave the talks until they compromise, the world community and IGAD wants this issue to be solved as soon as possible!

So what do you think based on your facts, will they reach an compromise and sign the agreements or will they leave?
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How can da govt sign a deal wit armed rebel group from kenya which wants to creat a buffer zone ?
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Individual wrote:Hey Sahal, Dhanaan news reported that the interior minister has left to Adis-ababa to sign the agreed agreements, so I think if this is true then all is well!
Wlhi i hope its true ! C/kariim guuleed is extreme anti-Jubbaland ! Sheekadii way fashilantay haday saas tahay. :up: :lol:
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Individual wrote:Hey Sahal, Dhanaan news reported that the interior minister has left to Adis-ababa to sign the agreed agreements, so I think if this is true then all is well!
He is a hardcore and is againist the recognition also the hardcore cabdi xoosh ex minister of dastuurka is arriving .

As you read for the professor, the donors have told the govt to compromise. this group doesn't want to compromise I also heard a new govt position wich is instead of saying the rest of maamulka should be installed by the govt, they are saying now the vice president should be from a different clan according to these reports.
Very good demand ! It´s our way or the highway ! :clap: :clap:
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sahal80 wrote:
Individual wrote:Hey Sahal, Dhanaan news reported that the interior minister has left to Adis-ababa to sign the agreed agreements, so I think if this is true then all is well!
He is a hardcore and is againist the recognition also the hardcore cabdi xoosh ex minister of dastuurka is arriving .

As you read for the professor, the donors have told the govt to compromise. this group doesn't want to compromise I also heard a new govt position wich is instead of saying the rest of maamulka should be installed by the govt, they are saying now the vice president should be from a different clan according to these reports.

I don't think Sahal, that both sides will leave the talks until they compromise, the world community and IGAD wants this issue to be solved as soon as possible!

So what do you think based on your facts, will they reach an compromise and sign the agreements or will they leave?
Yeah I agree with your analysis, IGAD (ethiopia) has to do some thing about this. my analysis is that they will reach an understanding on some points on the hope that there will be a conference to sort out all these points...may be more rounds, the talks itself is becoming a conference with each day and many clans are demanding their share in the administration through the govt and they already have their mps in the talks.

In yesterday talks the govt has postponed the recognition point into another stage...will take a longer...they said let us reach a compromise on the other points...thus, they want to make a vague agreement so they can attend they new deal conference with some hope of reconciliation.

On the other hand, the kismayo group are eager to get recognition, they made progress towards changing the name from jubbaland to a jubba and gedo regions but are disagree on the govts demands not to be a maamul goboleed with a president instead it should be interim governor of jubba and gedo regions

The other points they disagree on are about the port and airport and who will appoint the officials out of the president/governor the interoir ministry or the president/governor? This is why all these guys who this matter concerns are heading to there...xoosh will talk about the port and airpot since he knows the constitution.
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So Brother are you saying that Ahmed madobe accepted the name change from Jubaland to Juba's and Gedo regions?

If yes, than that is a good news for the Somali's!
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Somali politics is like highschool show and tell. I have no respect for it.
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Individual wrote:So Brother are you saying that Ahmed madobe accepted the name change from Jubaland to Juba's and Gedo regions?

If yes, than that is a good news for the Somali's!
NO. Just reportedly, however, wants the administration whatever name it takes to be to be a maamulgoboleed and him its president.

The govt is aganist the name of jubbaland because it sounds maamul goboleed... thus, wants to be jubba and gedo regions/provinces in order to stay officially this way as gobols with one official governor. Some see the reason behind this is to split them tomorrow.
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GIJaamac wrote:
Individual wrote:Hey Sahal, Dhanaan news reported that the interior minister has left to Adis-ababa to sign the agreed agreements, so I think if this is true then all is well!
Wlhi i hope its true ! C/kariim guuleed is extreme anti-Jubbaland ! Sheekadii way fashilantay haday saas tahay. :up: :lol:
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Individual wrote:Hey Sahal, Dhanaan news reported that the interior minister has left to Adis-ababa to sign the agreed agreements, so I think if this is true then all is well!
He is a hardcore and is againist the recognition also the hardcore cabdi xoosh ex minister of dastuurka is arriving .

As you read for the professor, the donors have told the govt to compromise. this group doesn't want to compromise I also heard a new govt position wich is instead of saying the rest of maamulka should be installed by the govt, they are saying now the vice president should be from a different clan according to these reports.
Very good demand ! It´s our way or the highway ! :clap: :clap:
NO. That is just muzaayadaat/gorgorton, in this administration, jubba and gedo regions, the vice president will stay reer gedo but fartaag may go as the govts side want to replace him with pro-govt. Other clans will get the mayors positions.
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Somalia: Stalemate Between Federal Government and Ahmed Madobe's Representatives in Ethiopia
23 August 2013 , Source: Shabelle
Addis Ababa
talks between the federal government and Ahmed Madobe's administration have stalled and no conclusion reached after two night meetings in Addis Ababa.

It is reported that Ahmed Madobe and Farah Abdiqadir who is Somalia's state minister held a meeting and agreed on some agendas including a proposed meeting to reconcile communities living in Gedo, lower juba region and the middle Juba.

They also agreed on the naming of an interim governors for Gedo and middle juba regions and lower Juba regions which will fall under Ahmed Madobe's administration.

The meeting which was held in the presence of IGAD representatives ended in chaos after both officials denied the outcome of the meeting.

Ahmed Madobe is accompanied by Abdulahi Ismail Fartag who is his deputy, Omar Abdirashid Sharmake and Prof Gandhi while those representing the federal government include former minister Mohamed Abdullahi Sanbaloolshe and is now the current Somalia's ambassador to the UK,Abdirahman Abdishakur Warsame who is the presidents advisor and 3 other MPs.

After the meeting was concluded in a dramatic and chaotic manner, Ethiopian foreign ministry officials and IGAD officials have succeeded in bringing back the opposing officials back to the negotiating table and the meeting has resumed again with the final outcome believed to be announced today.

On the otherside, Prof. Gandhi has accused Ahmed Madobe for breaching the Jubaland administration for delaying to announce his cabinet and parliament.

Ahmed Madobe has failed to announce his cabinet since he claimed the presidency months ago and has postponed several occasions to make the announcement.

Ahmed Madobes administration which is seeking recognition from the federal government has failed in several attempts to convince Hassan Sheikh's government of its existence
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