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Prisons and Jails are America's Mental Health Institutions

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Pete Earley, a journalist and author of a book on the American mental-health system, says that in one year in California 19,000 beds were cut. “There was no place for anyone to go, they were literally thrown on to the street,” he says. Matters deteriorated in the 1980s, when large cuts were made to housing programmes. Funds for the mentally ill remain a soft target.

Indeed, these days it is very rare for people to be put in a mental-health institution unless they are a danger to themselves or others. Even when they are held in a hospital, they are unlikely to stay long enough for any course of drugs to stabilise them. If someone decides he wants to walk around naked, or cannot give his name to a police officer, the likelihood is that he will end up in jail.


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What alternative do you purpose?? We can all make noise about a million different things??
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Spec2014 wrote:What alternative do you purpose?? We can all make noise about a million different things??
What many countries in Europe have done.
  • -Provide treatment for drug addicted individuals instead of incriminating them.
    -Address the school-to-jail pipeline in funneling many young (mostly Black) children into prisons.
    -Get rid of private for-profit prison corporations like GEO.
    -Invest in affordable and housing, the same quality of education for poor communities as middle/upper class communities, quality healthcare that is free of cost (no one should be waiting in an ER).
    -Stop scapegoating the poor for everything--they don't have control over policies; they're victims.
    -Invest in communal involvement and foster positive and meaningful interactions between neighbors, to start
    -Acknowledge all oppression is connected
    -Address social class differences in how certain aliments affect a particular class more than the other
    -Legalize marijuana. Loosen up on drug laws.

    ABOLISH PRISONS. We should be socialists instead.
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SavySallySupersedes wrote:
Spec2014 wrote:What alternative do you purpose?? We can all make noise about a million different things??
What many countries in Europe have done.
  • -Provide treatment for drug addicted individuals instead of incriminating them.
    -Address the school-to-jail pipeline in funneling many young (mostly Black) children into prisons.
    -Get rid of private for-profit prison corporations like GEO.
    -Invest in affordable and housing, the same quality of education for poor communities as middle/upper class communities, quality healthcare that is free of cost (no one should be waiting in an ER).
    -Stop scapegoating the poor for everything--they don't have control over policies; they're victims.
    -Invest in communal involvement and foster positive and meaningful interactions between neighbors, to start
    -Acknowledge all oppression is connected
    -Address social class differences in how certain aliments affect a particular class more than the other
    -Legalize marijuana. Loosen up on drug laws.

    ABOLISH PRISONS. We should be socialists instead.

You sound like Al Sharpton or a member of the NAACP since you didn't even touch on anything related to responsibility of the individual but instead just passed the buck to government bodies & society at large! The saga continues! :lol:
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We live in a world were perfectly sane individuals voluntarily take substances that will in the course of time make them insane.
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ElfRuler0 wrote:We live in a world were perfectly sane individuals voluntarily take substances that will in the course of time make them insane.

:ehh: People do have free will and are capable of making rational decisions. However, we can't really overlook that people who are most likely to become drug addicts are often dealing with traumatic life experiences or a mental illness. *Drugs are a means of escape from a horrid reality in which progression seems stagnant. These people are sick. Throwing them in prisons isn't going to solve anything. On average, 1 in 10 inmates is treated for drug addiction.


*Cocaine is different because it's often associated with the upper-class. Drug sentencing for crack cocaine vs. powder cocaine is not the same. People with money can buy the law.
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SavySallySupersedes wrote:
Spec2014 wrote:What alternative do you purpose?? We can all make noise about a million different things??
What many countries in Europe have done.

-Legalize marijuana. Loosen up on drug laws.

ABOLISH PRISONS. We should be socialists instead.
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So let the criminals do as they please without repercussions??Hmm? Maybe all rapist, murders & robbers should be directed to your residence ;) ! You are sympathetic to criminals then wonder why there is such a huge crime issue in the U.S ??? Thier communities stand by them because of race & then they complain when these SAME criminals end up killing, raping or robbing them??? The Irony??? :lol:.... Marijuana is being legalized in the U.S because the threat drug cartels are posing a great risk to security.

Last but not least America is a sovereign country & its up to the American people to choose what kind of government they want...Who cares about Europe & their socialist ways??? Apparently its not working to well over there...The last thing the U.S needs to do is promote more "entitlement" form of thinking! America has a more takers then makers so Its a sure fire way to collapse the Countries economy! California is a prime example of this were an estimated 6 million aliens reside. So please cut the bull! :-@
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More Black people are in prison than were slaves in 1850


http://globalgrind.com/2013/04/10/more- ... lnik-blog/
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Everyone forgets that many of the people in jail & prison aren't there for being choir boys! No put a gun up-to their heads to kill,steal from & murder other people! Its irrelevant talking about the skin color of these criminals! I have black skin & never raped, robbed, murdered anyone or sold drugs so I guess I am just a fluke? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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ToughGong wrote:More Black people are in prison than were slaves in 1850


http://globalgrind.com/2013/04/10/more- ... lnik-blog/
Some of them r like animals so jail is gud fo dem but few r innocent also many convert
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Races of 311 people wrongly convicted and later exonerated by DNA evidence since 1988

193 African Americans
94 Caucasians
22 Latinos
2 Asian American
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Spec2014 wrote:
SavySallySupersedes wrote:
Spec2014 wrote:What alternative do you purpose?? We can all make noise about a million different things??
What many countries in Europe have done.

-Legalize marijuana. Loosen up on drug laws.

ABOLISH PRISONS. We should be socialists instead.
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So let the criminals do as they please without repercussions??Hmm? Maybe all rapist, murders & robbers should be directed to your residence ;) ! You are sympathetic to criminals then wonder why there is such a huge crime issue in the U.S ??? There communities stand by the based on race only & then they complain when either these criminals end up killing, raping or robbing them??? The Irony??? :lol:.... Marijuana is being legalized in the U.S because the drug cartels are posing a great risk to security.

Last but not least America is a sovereign country & its up to the American people what kind of government they want...Who cares about Europe & their socialist ways??? Apparently its not working to well over there...The last thing the U.S needs to do is promote more "entitlement" line of thinking! America has a more takers then makers so Its a sure fire way to collapse the Country! California is a prime example of this were an estimated 6 million aliens reside. So please cut the bull! :-@
Yo, I wish you could see the incredulous look on my face right now.

A couple of rebuttals:

We could substitute prisons for something else (hmmm...maybe mental health institutions?). We don't need to mass incarcerate people to teach them how to have principles and ethics. I can't say this enough: great schools + safe neighborhoods + a viable safety net can prevent crime and improve lives!

People commit crimes for several reasons:
  • ~They may be under strain. Living in poverty is extremely daunting especially when staggering unemployment and joblessness are affecting already struggling communities. Crime could be a way to make ends meet because no one can ignore hunger pains. If your basic needs aren't met, you're going to resort to other non-convetional and innovative ways to meet them.
    ~They may be associating with people who are already involved in crime. This is where we need to "fix broken windows" per se.
    ~They may be a product of failed public policy. We have to address the abhorrent policies of the '80's which affected blacks the most as it colorized major public concerns and introduced a "tough on crime" approach which did more harm than good.
    ~Most importantly, the prison-industrial complex has a lot to do with the recidivism we see in prisons today. Drug offenses can label you a felon, and if you're black, that's double a felony (because black males--especially--are already viewed as being dangerous by nature). No one is going to hire you. No one is going to help you in finding a house. You can't qualify for loans and grants if you want to attend college. You are permanently stuck in an undercaste.
Argh! Can't you see why this is the perfect recipe for unrest?

LOL! You actually think the government is working towards the collective interests of the American people? They don't give a shit about you. There are domestic corporations and multi-national corporations worth over several billions which are dictating everything. From our drug and prison policies to immigration and education reform.
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Maybe you & the criminals you are supporting need a state of their own cordoned off from civil society! :lol: Since you distrust the "Government" but seem to praise common criminals! Create a utopia of crime where rape murders & assaults is common place!! :lol: Buy accusing the Government of not giving a "shit" who do you then expect to implement your crude ideas??? They sound like fantasies of a mad person just utter nonsense without any reason or rhyme & full of contradictions !!
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ToughGong wrote:Races of 311 people wrongly convicted and later exonerated by DNA evidence since 1988

193 African Americans
94 Caucasians
22 Latinos
2 Asian American
Sources?? :lol:
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