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abdi samatar: only a professional well- resourced army...

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:25 am
by sahal80
Pro abdi ismail samatar: only a professional well-resouced somali security forces will drive al shabaab into the sea


"the international community should understand that the terror group must be defeated in that country. To do so, the EU and the US who support AMISOM must appreciate that only a professional and well-resourced Somali security force will drive al-Shabab into the sea. Consequently, they can divert half of AMISOM's budget to this endeavor.

the Somali government and particularly its top leadership should wake up to the fact that they have failed to inspire the Somali people and move them into massive civic mobilisation that will be the most effective defense against al-Shabab.

Such an engagement of the citizens will also be a fantastic boon for the Somalia's reconstruction. If the international community and leadership in the region go back to business as usual then the victims of al-Shabab's terror will endure a second death." 

Re: abdi samatar: only a professional well- resourced army..

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:10 am
by Individual
Brother Sahal, does the statement's of professor Abdi hold any weight politically?

I just hope that the world powers especially the UN share the same opinion in building the Somali army, as they are the only capable force to defeat the terrorists!

Re: abdi samatar: only a professional well- resourced army..

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:26 am
by Khalid Ali
Prof Samatar is correct only a resourced army well trained well equipped well prepared can completely defeat Alshabaab. But the willingness in here needs to come from the Somalis themselves the Somali generals colonels Military officers need to show they are prepared and determined to reinstate and reorganize the Somali defense capabilities. Amisom cannot defeat Alshabaab only Somalis can defeat Alshabaab , Amisom might defeat them on the ground and capture towns and cities but who is going to fill the vacuum. You need well trained well conscripted Somali army officers.

The payment of the army officers need to be processed on time and corruption needs to be fought. The Europeans and the rest of the international community can assist support and show their commitment to Somalia but the foundation to fight for the Somali state needs to come from Somalis themselves. The Europeans and the rest of the IC will not do the dirty work for Somalia because Kenya Ethiopia Uganda are much more valued on the international stage than Somalia and. Kenya even despite its human rights abuses its still the darling of the west.

Uganda supports Gay rights in Africa they are number one and the international community rewards them for their efforts in Somalia. Once Somalis build the foundation of their army and rebuild the central command they can demand 70% of the money the west pumps into the African union Amisom forces. You will have more diplomatic leverage, on the international stage. And you can demand their withdrawal if they dont meet your standards,the reason why Somalia gets Limited Military aid is because the situation is not certain. For the western countries and the African states for both them its policy based on mutual interests. But Somalis have themselves to blame the incompetence comes from the leadership. And the Somali public is also divided, and reconciliation is required, to rebuild the country defense institutions, the trust of the country defense institutions was so badly damaged during the siad bare regime, it will take allot for the defense institutions to be trusted again. Somalidu waxay ku mah mahan gundaha hoose ba geedka sare dhisa.

Re: abdi samatar: only a professional well- resourced army..

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:00 am
by STARKAST
Whats the point of giving solutions to 'Somali lands' problems if you pray for the inhabitants (aka Somalis) of 'Somali lands' demise ?

Alshahbab.
You can't even blame Gondane's because 1 man can't dictate and destroy millions in the south.
People willingly don't live in poverty, remember that.

The first thing that is needed is to pay the damn soldiers ? This one thing just highlights the legitimacy of the Somali state ffs. Seriously my 12 yr sister could do this, but i guess she ain't corrupted 'yet' :idea:

Re: abdi samatar: only a professional well- resourced army..

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:10 am
by Substance
Even if these statements would receieve some attention there is opposition to arming Somalia, espically from our neighbours. Whats important to them and first priority is a weak Somalia then their stability.

Re: abdi samatar: only a professional well- resourced army..

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:30 am
by sahal80
Individual wrote:Brother Sahal, does the statement's of professor Abdi hold any weight politically?

I just hope that the world powers especially the UN share the same opinion in building the Somali army, as they are the only capable force to defeat the terrorists!
Yeah he is a brother of professor ahmed samatar but unlike of him he is a radical. I'm glad he said this because he use to be anti-tfg wich made him sound support the islamists.

Re: abdi samatar: only a professional well- resourced army..

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:38 am
by sahal80
Khalid Ali wrote:Prof Samatar is correct only a resourced army well trained well equipped well prepared can completely defeat Alshabaab. But the willingness in here needs to come from the Somalis themselves the Somali generals colonels Military officers need to show they are prepared and determined to reinstate and reorganize the Somali defense capabilities. Amisom cannot defeat Alshabaab only Somalis can defeat Alshabaab , Amisom might defeat them on the ground and capture towns and cities but who is going to fill the vacuum. You need well trained well conscripted Somali army officers.

The payment of the army officers need to be processed on time and corruption needs to be fought. The Europeans and the rest of the international community can assist support and show their commitment to Somalia but the foundation to fight for the Somali state needs to come from Somalis themselves. The Europeans and the rest of the IC will not do the dirty work for Somalia because Kenya Ethiopia Uganda are much more valued on the international stage than Somalia and. Kenya even despite its human rights abuses its still the darling of the west.

Uganda supports Gay rights in Africa they are number one and the international community rewards them for their efforts in Somalia. Once Somalis build the foundation of their army and rebuild the central command they can demand 70% of the money the west pumps into the African union Amisom forces. You will have more diplomatic leverage, on the international stage. And you can demand their withdrawal if they dont meet your standards,the reason why Somalia gets Limited Military aid is because the situation is not certain. For the western countries and the African states for both them its policy based on mutual interests. But Somalis have themselves to blame the incompetence comes from the leadership. And the Somali public is also divided, and reconciliation is required, to rebuild the country defense institutions, the trust of the country defense institutions was so badly damaged during the siad bare regime, it will take allot for the defense institutions to be trusted again. Somalidu waxay ku mah mahan gundaha hoose ba geedka sare dhisa.
Good analysis

Nick kay is now asking for more 5,000 amisom. Like professor samater said give 1/2 of amisom funds to the SNA...if the army needs reform it needs funds to do so!