The Orgines of QABILL

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The Orgines of QABILL

Post by S_lander-boy »

I found a link related to qabil and I was reading a article in the article the writer talks about orgins of Qabill in his words he says



Introduced by Arab Sheikhs sometime around three hundred years after the birth of Islam in Arabia, groups of Somalis in a locality formed a confederacy to a particular sheikh who taught them Islam. They became his “Xer” commonly referred to as the “Xertii Sheekh Hebel” – The Religious Confederacy of Sheikh so and so. Given enough time, such confederacies developed into full blown tribes with their line of paternal ancestry adjusted to go back to the Sheikh himself and instead of “xerti Sheekh Hebel” it became “reer Hebel”. There is a simple prove for this: The average line of ancestry (abtiris) is 20 grandfathers to the Sheikh. The average life span in those days was not more than 60 years. Therefore, the ancestral lineage or tribe is only 1200 years old. But Somalis existed in the Horn of Africa for the last 5000 years evidenced by the recorded trade and interactions with the Phoenicians, Ancient Egyptians, the Chinese, and Indians etc. way before the Christian era. Without belittling the influence of Arabs and the relationship with Arabia, the fact that Somalis have a distinct language and an idiosyncratic physical feature that endured over the ions is a clear indication that Somalis are a race onto itself parallel to the Arab race.

If you agree, disagree, or really dont give a f**k or if you have any theories you've heard or you've came up with........feel free to share

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Post by Demure »

Not long ago I stumbled upon the site where you copied this paragraph from, Interesting collection of theories of all clans, where they originated from and how they relate to one another. I learned new things from it actually..


http://www.civicwebs.com/cwvlib/africa/ ... ndix_4.htm
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Post by Mowhawk »

Interesting article, and has been posted here several times. That is why I joined a new Somali tribe called "Shallaan is-dilne, in short-form, SHID".

Anyone wants to join?
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Post by Ducaale004 »

That website is extremely unreliable source: Its anti-daaroodism and a prefered history for the other clans are hard to bear let alone read it.


Visit here and browse its site index yourself.



http://www.civicwebs.com/cwvlib/africa/somalia/
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Post by Demure »

Ducaale, your kidding right, what's anti-daroodism about it?..It was pure informational, besides your still refering to the same web site.
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Post by Ducaale004 »

[quote="Demure"]Ducaale, your kidding right, what's anti-daroodism about it?..It was pure informational, besides your still refering to the same web site.[/quote]


why would i be kidding? I am telling you the truth. This is a site that has published the editing and works of the former syphilitic mass murderer General Aideed, rendered the history of our beloved freedom fighter Sayid Mohammed useless. It is about overestimating Hawiye and Isaq and underestimating, devaluing, and distorting Somalia's official history as it is/was recorded in every book and reliable sites.
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Post by Demure »

I think your arguments here are unfounded, there's not one demeaning or anti-darootism sentiment that I could detect...You could disagree with how they related our beginings or particularly in this case Daroods but the anti-darootism is a little over the board.

It looks to me some gaal wrote this piece, I don't know how you conclude Aideed was behind it..but believe it or not there are people like me who don't know much about clan origins and I appreciate articles like these for they are very informational to me. That's why I'm irked when every little mention of certain clan or another always ends in people jumping to defend it's misplaced name or honor at the same breath managing to cloud their arguments with anti-everybody else.
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Post by North brother »

why would i be kidding? I am telling you the truth. This is a site that has published the editing and works of the former syphilitic mass murderer General Aideed, rendered the history of our beloved freedom fighter Sayid Mohammed useless. It is about overestimating Hawiye and Isaq and underestimating, devaluing, and distorting Somalia's official history as it is/was recorded in every book and reliable sites.[quote]
I think ducalle you are disillusional, and siyad barre was not a mass murderer who did not kill hundreds of thousands of isaaqs move on man u are stuck in the past its ramadaan for god sake. u have so much hate.
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Post by Newboy »

qabil is good as long as you dont take it too far. Laughing
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Post by Steeler [Crawler2] »

This was very was interesting breakdown. But some clan names just don't look right. For example, he places the Dudble outside of the Haber Gedir group, which is very debateable. And the other four sub-clans of the Haber Gedir are Saad, Ayr, Suleiman, and Surur. Where he got Ibrahim from, and how Ayr became Ahmed, I'm not sure.
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Post by dhuusa_deer »

Qabiils have NO origin. If you're isaaq, you are NOT descendent of shiekh Isaaq, the mythical founding father of isaaq clan. If you're darood, you're NOT descended of darood, the mythical founder of darood clan.

Somali clans are known to join or leave clan confederations, further adding to the validity to the arguement that clans are social organisation and not lineage based organisation.

Clans are nothing more than social organisation set up by our ancestors, the mythical fathers like darood and isaaq were later addition.

The single most convincing evidence for somalis sharing a common ancestor is their physical similarity. You can't tell the clan of somali on physical appearance alone.

Perhaps there is difference at the genetic level but no one has ascertain that yet.

Culture and language vary slightly. That is undertandable since both are influenced more by local environment then what's recieved from ancestors. Its like Texan american and New Yorker. Both are americans but have differentiated linguistically and to lesser extent culturally.
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