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I delated the somali names and cities so don't fock up again this thread with clan shyt pls besides my threads are only for a few friends to exchange informative posts not for trolling.

King philip of france was the most smart king in history, to avoide more viking raids in his land, he let them have normandy in the north in return to stay as a dutchy under his crown possession

With generations, they switched to speaking french and kept serving the king as vassals until their conquest of england when they claimed the england throne

Here history changes just like abraha did when he claimed the crown of yemen wich was founded by the queen of sheba separating himself from abyssinia and its al najashi

In france, they consider the normans a french heritage but in the UK they don't maybe they don't want to give their historical rivals the credit of colonizing them...however, the norman conquest of england was a french cultural occupation and to this day the english courts have a french law let alone the english language itself wich is almost a mix of germanic and french

dispraging of english comes from the normans because back then the french was the official language of england!! It was also the language of their aristocratic families and speaking english was a kinda of culture populaire!!

This makes french aristocratique and english populaire, therefore, it was a french cultural occupation!!!

This is why naboleon bonoparte has called the english "une nation de boutiquires"!

We are in 2000s and somalis are unable to unite so my guess is that the middle ages imams of somalia were a somalized stock and not the nomadic somalis of today

What shows their similarity to the normans is the accord between the imams and the clans that were around them except that the imams have become the kings since the native clans had no kingdoms but still there were a big respect between them to the point of brotherhood.

Sahal, you can look for as many excuse as you want on why Somalia was defunct with stateless for 21 years but the truth is that, our neighbours (especially ethiopia) that continually intervened in our political affair and certain people within us that have sinister agenda or self interest were the key factors that contributed to us being stateless for this long!!!

Sahal, SOME WITHIN SOMALIA AND SOME EXTERNAL were and are terrified of a strong central somalia Politically, militarily and economically and for that alone they want Somalia stateless or a weak state that is no threat!

Sahal80; We are in 2000s and somalis are unable to unite so my guess is that the middle ages imams of somalia were a somalized stock and not the nomadic somalis of today

Sahal you have to understand that the Somali civil war would've ended in 2000 but the TPLF of Ethiopia supported one warlord against the other so many times that they undermined the Somali peace process. And eventually they invaded Somalia because of the Islamic courts union that were home grown Somali social workers. Ethiopia prolonged the Somali civil war in order to receive aid from uncle sam, their divisive politics they play in Somalia, is the same one they play in Ethiopia. And in truth The invasion of Woyane actually created Alshabaab , thus Alshabaab are on steroids today because of Woyane's invasion.

Sahal the problem of Somalia ended in the late 90's but was continued by certain countries and traitors within us in Somalia for the purpose of Financial Interests and for some political interest!

Even123 wrote:Sahal, you can look for as many excuse as you want on why Somalia was defunct with stateless for 21 years but the truth is that, our neighbours (especially ethiopia) that continually intervened in our political affair and certain people within us that have sinister agenda or self interest were the key factors that contributed to us being stateless for this long!!!

Sahal, SOME WITHIN SOMALIA AND SOME EXTERNAL were and are terrified of a strong central somalia Politically, militarily and economically and for that alone they want Somalia stateless or a weak state that is no threat!

You can only use these excuses as a second factor!

Ethiopia has a well behaved 30,000 somali army from all the tribes why this union and clean army doesn't work inside somalia?

Its about the traditional kingdom!!

Ethiopia has less corruption!!

It has worked for djibouti who has two races because the french has said they are not ready yet so they waited for until the 70s

Still are protected!

Ethiopia waa kibriid lakin geedaha qalalan waa somali!

Why we are a dry trees and not a green trees? There is the question!

It has to do with our nomadic roots

Shaykh mostafa ismael has said as soon as the nation was freed from colonialism, the new administration has imposed a tax on their livestock at the port, there was this angery nomad man saying: the colonialism has gone why the canshoor?!!

Apparently he tought the canshoor was a colonialim work so he screamed in the nomadic crew around there: every man should call his boys right now!!

Sahal
you seem depressed tonight! siday wax u jiraan?
is there a bad news coming from Hiiraan? Is it about Xawadle being cheated by Moqdisho government?

and about Somalis not uniting, I thing it is more to do with institutions and Somalia has the worst institutions and the worst constitution is the world.
Few changes in Somalia's constitution might solve many problems for you guys. First, you don't need federalism, it is a major source for conflicts. Secondly you don't need a prime minister, all you need is a directly elected president. This will solve two problems for you, it will reduce the poisonous clan alliances in your country and it eliminate infighting in the government. And finally if Muqdisho is going to be the capital it should not be a clan city as it is today. A policy of land distribution to a large number of people belonging to clans other than the Hawiye clan should be adopted in Muqdisho, and an environment conducive to investment in the city by none Hawiye clans should be created.

some people have no etiquette

Didn't I made a notice of NO clan shyt?

Focking deaf!!

Interesting. Then who were those nation-building people? And where are they now?

Rockstar wrote:Interesting. Then who were those nation-building people? And where are they now?

People who were the early islamic waves and have become somalized after generations, not cadcads, almost somali.

sahal80 wrote:

Rockstar wrote:Interesting. Then who were those nation-building people? And where are they now?

People who were the early islamic waves and have become somalized after generations, not cadcads, almost somali.

But how can they get integrated into Somali society, with all its clans, etc?

Hawiye imams ruled late somalis while daarood kings ruled ancient putland,what about isaaq and digil mirifle.