The President won the battle, but the war is lost.

[The`Republic]

He was supposed to be different.

We are in the post-transition.

Corruption would be tackled hard, the Prime Minister and President would not follow the old and work together, unity and reconciliation would be advanced.

A year later and Hassan Sheikh has lost all political capital. Don't look at a corrupt and greedy parliament that will come after him next round as an example of political capital. He doesn't have the legitimacy, the morality, the mandate, and the momentum he had.

That dissipated.

Abdi Farah Shirdoon Saacid was one weak and ineffective Prime Minister. I called for his ouster back in June. I supported him now for displaying what I wanted---proper application of constitutional roles.

But through his efforts recently up to resisting until Parliament voted, Saacid did more to aid my cause then would have happened if he won.

First he showed that a PM can only be fired by a Parliament. Second he showed EVERY SINGLE PM AFTER HIM it doesn't pay to be that compromising, taking that back seat approach. They must be assertive, strong, take advantage of their constitutional powers and build their own political space. They will reap nothing being the shadow of the President as if they are the symbolic title.

In the future, Hassan Sheikh will only have powers over the PM until he is official named and approved by Parliament. Once that happen, I do not imagine a single Somali exists that will be as compromising as Saacid was and so the man has seen the heyday of his political strength.

I also do not believe that the Somali people can take another PM and President squabble that took as long as this one. It damaged everyone...from PM to President to Speaker of Parliament. It won't be easing coming before Parliament again. Donors and everyone will get fed up and Hassan won't be in a safe perch.

The battle is won, but at the expense of the war.

[HooBariiska]

loser baad tahay

[original dervish]

Nonsense!....Shirdoon outlived his usefulness to the Hagite regime and was dealt with accordingly.
I expect another quisling PM to be conjured up in next to no time.

Don`t bank on the parliament....more honour & integrity can be found in a brothel.

[The`Republic]

This has nothing to do with HAG. You continue to be retrograde.

We are in a political party era where there is one group with a party and no one else has one.

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

loser baad tahay

[GeoSeven]

Let me get this straight. You're condemning the forced resignation of the PM, at the same time, you claim to have called for his ouster in June

[guhad122]

For the first time, Voltage spoke like a matured intellectual!! We lost the battle brother

What if Farmaajo was the PM? Culusoow wouldn't have dared to go to the parliament at all. I told you from day one that Saacid is a dormant and ineffective individual. When he went to Kismaayo, instead of meeting the over 1000 elders including many of his uncles in Kismaayo University, he chose to meet with Bare Huurale, Baasto and Cumar Buraale and armed them.

His lack of political and people skills was in full display today. Only 65 Mps out of 248 wanted him in the office? What has he been doing?

Waxaan maqli jiray "Fuloow guuli kuu dhaweydaa". This dude had many opportunities but wasted all of them.

[The`Republic]

Geoseven-

This was me calling for him to go last June when the honeymoon was in wide effect.

"Saacid Shirdoon Needs to Go"

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I was against him then for compromising too much on the powers of his position.

I really just started to support him because he finally stood up for his role and was fighting and I lent him my support.

It is not about the person to me. It is about a constitutional issue to me where a weak and symbolic president can usurp the roles of an empowered prime minister (all according to the constitution). Really Saacid functioned as how the Constitution views president, and Hassan Sheikh functioned as how the Constitution views the prime minister.

I am always after proper governance.

[Twisted_Logic]

loser baad tahay

LOOOL

People that imagined Saacid will survive the political machine simply deluded themselves. The next PM will tow the line or be humiliated in the Parliament like Saacid. The devastating blow administrated by the political machine coupled with performances in the last election will put the good fear of The Lord in any future Prime Minister. That's the only take from today's events. People that think otherwise delude themselves like they have deluded themselves throughout the years!

[guhad122]

loser baad tahay

LOOOL

People that imagined Saacid will survive the political machine simply deluded themselves. The next PM will tow the line or be humiliated in the Parliament like Saacid. The devastating blow administrated by the political machine coupled with performances in the last election will put the good fear of The Lord in any future Prime Minister. That's the only take from today's events. People that think otherwise delude themselves like they have deluded themselves throughout the years!

We lived predominantly D-Block and Isaaq areas in Hamar when I was younger, but now seeing the political power of the Mudulood, I am ready to learn some Abgaal dialects; I am practicing my Shirib skills now. Any help?

[BuuloXubeey]

I was against him then for compromising too much on the powers of his position.

I really just started to support him because he finally stood up for his role and was fighting and I lent him my support.

It is not about the person to me. It is about a constitutional issue to me where a weak and symbolic president can usurp the roles of an empower prime minister (all according to the constitution). Really Saacid functioned as how the Constitution views president, and Hassan Sheikh functioned as how the Constitution views the prime minister.

I am always after proper governance.

What power did he compromise since his job in office? Bullet it for me bal!!

Saacid was the second most effective prime minister after Farmaajo in the history of the TFG/Federal Government era. But sadly the system and International Community dislike effective leaders.

[The`Republic]

Twisted-

Sxb, you and all Abgaal followed your boy Sheikh Sharif. Let's not play coy and try to tribalize this issue in a deflective way. Hassan Sheikh himself is a singular member of an outfit going by the name of Dam Jadiid.

They brought Saacid and they beat him. Marehan didn't pick Saacid and certainly in many occassions they were fed up with him themselves.

The next PM that comes will at some point clash with the President and my assumption is Dam Jadiid wouldn't go as smooth sailing as they did this time.

I do like that Dam Jadiid's Presidency has had the cajones taken from underneath them. You brought him and what trouble did you go to remove him just because he legally usurped right of controlling cabinet?

They won the battle, but my prediction is they lost the war.

Remains to be seen though.

[BuuloXubeey]

loser baad tahay

LOOOL

People that imagined Saacid will survive the political machine simply deluded themselves. The next PM will tow the line or be humiliated in the Parliament like Saacid. The devastating blow administrated by the political machine coupled with performances in the last election will put the good fear of The Lord in any future Prime Minister. That's the only take from today's events. People that think otherwise delude themselves like they have deluded themselves throughout the years!

We lived predominantly D-Block and Isaaq areas in Hamar when I was younger, but now seeing the political power of the Mudulood, I am ready to learn some Abgaal dialects; I am practicing my Shirib skills now. Any help?

Bal firi doqonkaan cagdheer oo uu niiki naayo bantu abgaal. Awalba doqon caghdeer khair laheyn. Najis

Kulaha political power of mudulood, indeed ogaden are foreign in Somalia. He does not know the reality of Somali political.

[Murax]

Twisted Logic,

Xassan Sh's Government, Security, Budget, etc. are all handled by the UN/EU etc. Saacid had no chance in this whatsoever and anybody worth His salt would know that He had no shot just like Ali Gheedi stood no shot against Abdullahi Yusuf. However if the President clashes with the next PM, He will instantly be branded a spoiler and toxic by the Int'l Community. Xassan Sh wasted way too much favors and political capital against a Dormat like Saacid, but He will not win the next clash against the next PM.

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

come to think of it it wasn't long time ago when you where doing niiko for mudulood ximan xaare.