International Community & Somalia

[Arabman]

Why is the International Community bent on repeating the same mistakes and failed policies with regard to Somalia? The IC is interested only in getting rid of al-Shabaab; it never cared about the country or its people. In the meantime, it's helping fragment Somalia into several mini-states. It's helping delegitimize Somali leaders,tribal chiefs, etc as traitors who are selling their country, its interests and the well being of the people. It's helping legitimize al-Shabaab as the only nationalist group that's fighting for the interests of Somalia and its people.

Discuss.

[BlackVelvet]

al-Shabaab as the only nationalist group that's fighting for the interests of Somalia and its people.

The suicide squad don't believe in nationalism. Under Shabab every hairy violent maniac who is "Muslim" is allowed to join in and force himself on a Somali girl.

[Estarix]

Yup the war against alshabab is overall seen as part of the war on terror by the IC. In the period after the withdrawal of UNISOM and before the ICU the IC were hardly involved in somalia; but when the ICU began to gain power the US and ethiopia began to see them as a major threat to the region and to US interests and subsequently they made moves to destroy them. The integration of former ICU members into the tfg was also pushed by the united states and was part of a strategy of appeasing "terrorists" (similar stuff was discussed in afghanistan regarding the taliban). As you can see the defeat and the installment of former ICU member is concurrent to us interests.
If somalia was left to its own devices you'd probably have alshabab conquering somalia.
As for the fragmentation of somalia into mini states i would not say America is behind this, certain clans and their constituents are using federalism and secession as a vehicle to carry out what they perceive to be whats best for their clan (it involves grievances and is a response to mistakes by former gov and politicians), whether their clans policies balkanise and ultimately weakens somalia is not taken into account but clan is primary interest.

[original dervish]

Yeah....only Somali violent maniacs should be allowed to force themselves on Somali girls.

[Sagaashan]

Yeah....only Somali violent maniacs should be allowed to force themselves on Somali girls.

there goes caqli hawiye

[BlackVelvet]

Yeah....only Somali violent maniacs should be allowed to force themselves on Somali girls.

there goes caqli hawiye

Hawiye is so entrenched in your minds there is no space left over for logic.

[original dervish]

A Somali with logic.......he/she should have their brain placed in a jar to be studied.

[Sagaashan]

[BlackVelvet]

A Somali with logic.......he/she should have their brain placed in a jar to be studied.

Yes, because there is no better use for such a brain

[HusseinHassan]

Yeah....only Somali violent maniacs should be allowed to force themselves on Somali girls.

there goes caqli hawiye

[original dervish]

Not in Somalia and among Somali's......definitely a disadvantage.

[Arabman]

If somalia was left to its own devices you'd probably have alshabab conquering somalia.

At some point in the future, the IC would regret not letting Somalia undergo its evolutionary course. They helped create mutants who are adapting, growing, expanding, gaining strength/intelligence, and transforming to a next level each time the IC tries to squash them for good.

As for the fragmentation of somalia into mini states i would not say America is behind this, certain clans and their constituents are using federalism and secession as a vehicle to carry out what they perceive to be whats best for their clan (it involves grievances and is a response to mistakes by former gov and politicians), whether their clans policies balkanise and ultimately weakens somalia is not taken into account but clan is primary interest.

I think it's in the interests of America for Somalia to fragment. For one, the fragmentation wouldn't have been possible without America's blessing. Afterall, it's America that financed and armed Ethiopia/Kenya's aggressions against Somalia, AMISOM's continuous presence in Somalia, the SFG's very existence, etc.

[Estarix]

yes the ic have averted somalia from taking its natural course and laying the ground for the neo colonial state somalia is in. And because reconcilliation has not been directly addressed by all somali stackeholders what you have is a very unpredictable future.