Has political Islam failed?

[LeJusticier]

Islamic intellectual Tariq Ramadan discusses Islamism and the rise and fall of the Muslim Brotherhood

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/hea ... 19177.html

[Tanker]

If the Arabs wants to rise again they need a return to secular Arab Nationalism that focuses on the Arab Identity and Nationalist aspirations for the Arab nation from Iraq to Egypt aka Nasser period. Political Islam and corrupt politicians has destroyed them. Nobody can stop the Arab nation under the principles of the Bath Party.

[LeJusticier]

Tanker
You didn't even watch the debate and you are commenting!! how odd?

[X.Playa]

Both political islam and neoliberalism are dead and no more.

[knowthyself]

Tariq Ramadan has an interesting family history. His great uncle is the brilliant progressive theologian Gamal al Banna, the sibling of the Muslim Brotherhood's founder Hassan al Banna. He was a reformist who fought against the clerical thuggery of his brother's ideology. There was no greater Islamic warrior for secularism. The mujahid passed away last year after authoring dozens of books on a humane and enlightened Islam.

He railed against the veil for the pre-Islamic uniform of whores that it is, he upheld freedom of religion, and he promised to cut off the heads of Wahhabi sheep molesters and crooks. Just kidding about the last one, but he should have.

May Allah give him the highest spot in jannah, next to Kemal Ataturk.

[Casanova25]

[Arabman]

Not really. Political Islam is a reality that cannot be ignored, but it isn't gonna come through a democratic process (this is the only part it failed).

[LeJusticier]

Not really. Political Islam is a reality that cannot be ignored, but it isn't gonna come through a democratic process (this is the only part it failed).

did you watch the debate?

[gurey25]

They failed and continue to fail because they have been infected with alien ideologies from their former colonial overlords i.e the west.
Words such as Political Islam and Islamic Democracy are oxymorons,
Islam is by its nature political.

They need to cleanse themselves of these alien infestation and go back to the roots of the
muslim dawla and look for ansers there instead of assimilating western ideas and wrapping it with a muslim garb, while at the same time oppressing the people women more than men
to deal with the frustration of existing as an impotent slave of the kufar.

Solutions are there if they look they need to have an open mind and be courageous.

[gurey25]

May Allah give him the highest spot in jannah, next to Kemal Ataturk.

Kemal was an agnostic or athiest and was virulently anti- islam.
he would be offended by what you said if he was alive.
Richard dawkin is kinder to islam than kemal.

[knowthyself]

Gurey, my brother in Islam, my fellow drinker of halal beer, my seducer of Niqabis, there is no such thing as an ex-Muslim. The Galols and Xplayas of the world are just confusing the beauty of Islam with the camel raping towelheads of Arabia on whom Allah's curse befall.

Mustapha Kemal Ataturk was a mujahid for the Islamic values of liberty and freedom. He was more Islamic in waging war against the British Empire than the oil sheikhs who fellate Uncle Sam. You told me that you are a Muslim anarchist. That is heresy because all the schools of Fiqh agree that God is a Republican, but nevertheless, you are right to detect strains of the Enlightenment in Islam from which John Locke stole it.

Islam is a wide gate through which many come, which is why two brothers, Hassan al Banna and Gamal al Banna, can have such radically different conceptions of the siratul mustaqeem, but one thing which may not come through is fake wadaads who trash talk warriors like Ataturk who actually commanded troops against the kuffar. May Allah curse the enemies of Kemalism. Amiin.

[gurey25]

Gurey, my brother in Islam, my fellow drinker of halal beer, my seducer of Niqabis, there is no such thing as an ex-Muslim. The Galols and Xplayas of the world are just confusing the beauty of Islam with the camel raping towelheads of Arabia on whom Allah's curse befall.

Mustapha Kemal Ataturk was a mujahid for the Islamic values of liberty and freedom. He was more Islamic in waging war against the British Empire than the oil sheikhs who fellate Uncle Sam. You told me that you are a Muslim anarchist. That is heresy because all the schools of Fiqh agree that God is a Republican, but nevertheless, you are right to detect strains of the Enlightenment in Islam from which John Locke stole it.

Islam is a wide gate through which many come, which is why two brothers, Hassan al Banna and Gamal al Banna, can have such radically different conceptions of the siratul mustaqeem, but one thing which may not through is fake wadaads who trash talk warriors like Ataturk who actually commanded troops against the kuffar. May Allah curse the enemies of Kemalism. Amiin.

I have more respect and admiration for Mustafa Kemal than the majority of muslim "leaders".
I am just calling it as it is, the pope is more muslim than kemal ever was.
I only disagree with Kemals self hate and western infatuation.
anarchism is one way of looking at my political beliefs but that is the closest thing.
republicanism eventually developes into oligarchism, its inevitable.

[gurey25]

Gurey, my brother in Islam, my fellow drinker of halal beer, my seducer of Niqabis,

What was your previous nick i cant keep up.
i do not drink alcohol i prefer the delights of the blessed herb the kanem bosn of the bible.
If i were to drink i would rather prefer some jameson or even a wine probably shiraz merlot,
i find beer especially lager to be pederstrian something like a Rodenback might do however.

shit i sound like too much like a snob for an anarchist.

[knowthyself]

Subxanallah, ilaahey kacabso waryaa, ninka Pope ladaho waa gaal uraayo oo xaarka iska dagin laakin Ataturk waa nin sharaf leh. You confuse Ataturk's rediscovery of the Enlightenment which the West stole from Islam with imitation. That is kufr. Islam invented all the best ideas saxib.

The Muslim Brotherhood's theoreticians like Sayyid Qutub were more influenced by European ideas of the State like Marxism and fascism than Ataturk, but their fellow travelors want to call the Kemalists and Baathists Westernised? Fuhgeddaboutit.

I grant that Kemalists are against the ragheadism which passes for Islam in Absurdistan, but they uphold its true values of Liberty, Equality and Malt Whiskey. The future belongs to them.

[knowthyself]

I can't disclose my last nick without jeopardising my ambitions for Modship. But you may find hints in my travelogues to the world of Islam:

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