US is worry abt djibouti giving military facilities to china

[sahal80]

In this world, all you need is to have one big sponsor state but djibouti wants to have them all, both the west and the east on its side!

In the world of politics, there is only two choices; to join the eastren bloc if the westren bloc is againist your interests or the other way!

You must deal with one of them for the sake of your political and economical interests

This time its about an economical war!

Seems djibouti can play both of them or its just a political game so the west can reconsider the importance of its strategical location!

The djibouti president has studied the security policies, I remember reading and arabic interview with al haj abtidon about the current president when he was in the office just a month, he said he has protected the regime from a lot of military coups and regional conspiracies.

Chinas defense minister was visiting djibouti some weeks ago to get a military base or port home and allowing access to their military navy

Already there is france, US, japan and may be spain as I heard.

"Djibouti also has close relations with China.  On 25 February Djiboutian Minister of Defence Hassan Darar Houffaneh and his Chinese counterpart General Chang Wanquan signed a security and defence strategic partnership agreement at the Cheikh Osman military camp.  Under the partnership, Djibouti has offered military facilities such as a home port to the Chinese navy.  Djibouti wants China to assist it in enhancing the operational capacities of the Djiboutian armed forces in order to safeguard security in the country and help to consolidate peace and security in the sub-region.  Djibouti wants to build the capacity of the navy, which lacks patrol boats, and building the air force, which will soon acquire Chinese aircraft.

Djibouti has also asked China for "assistance with surveillance, including radar, and more training through the provision of additional places at China's military training centres and colleges in the aviation, maritime, armaments, logistics and engineering sectors", according to the minister.

However, the US is not very happy about these developments and during her recent meeting with President Guelleh, American National Security Advisor Susan Rice expressed concerns about the Chinese plan for a military base in Djibouti.  According to reports the US is offering Djibouti a number of economic incentives to try and persuade President Guelleh not to accept the Chinese offer.

It is not clear what President Guelleh will decide, but in light of the Djibouti government’s efforts to remain absolutely neutral in such a strategic geographical area, it is likely that Camp Lemonnier would see some Chinese neighbours sometime in the future."

 

[gurey25]

String of pearls strategy.

The Chinese want partners that provide basing right across their main transport lines and hubs.
Djibouti is a good choice.
The chinese are known to pay more and give more bribes than the west.

[sahal80]

String of pearls strategy.

The Chinese want partners that provide basing right across their main transport lines and hubs.
Djibouti is a good choice.
The chinese are known to pay more and give more bribes than the west.

China is invading the horn, they are in ethiopia and now kenya.

Gurey, you should learn from djibouti as you lack strategy. The west and the arabs(the current world powers) are againist you.

Saudia arabia, UAE are close friends with ethiopia and the somali govt who is now is closer to this arab camp. geopolitically, you have no chances in being around ethiopia

You need to look for a big sponsor state from the eastren bloc like russia, china or these communists in latin america.

Remember the eastren bloc had a base in barbara back in the 70s.

[gurey25]

Gurey, you should learn from djibouti as you lack strategy. The west and the arabs(the current world powers) are againist you.

The west is not against us they dont really care that much, we are not important.
whats important is fixing somalias mess, then the somaliland issue would get attention.
since we are quite and dont disturb anyone we can be ignored.
The arabs yes are our enemies and always have been.

Saudia arabia, UAE are close friends with ethiopia and the somali govt who is now is closer to this arab camp. geopolitically, you have no chances in being aound ethiopia

We have no problems with ethiopia, so how does them supporting ethiopia affect us?

You need to look for a big sponsor state from the eastren bloc like russia, china or these communists in latin america.

China is not get involved in issues like secession, they way they play the game,is they wait for other countries to open up and get involved in the mess .
then they swoop in and take all the advanatges.

[sahal80]

Gurey, you should learn from djibouti as you lack strategy. The west and the arabs(the current world powers) are againist you.

The west is not against us they dont really care that much, we are not important.
whats important is fixing somalias mess, then the somaliland issue would get attention.
since we are quite and dont disturb anyone we can be ignored.
The arabs yes are our enemies and always have been.

Saudia arabia, UAE are close friends with ethiopia and the somali govt who is now is closer to this arab camp. geopolitically, you have no chances in being aound ethiopia

We have no problems with ethiopia, so how does them supporting ethiopia affect us?

You need to look for a big sponsor state from the eastren bloc like russia, china or these communists in latin america.

China is not get involved in issues like secession, they way they play the game,is they wait for other countries to open up and get involved in the mess .
then they swoop in and take all the advanatges.

The west supports the somali federalism and the govt to open talks with somaliland, they are even pressuring this I know in the last year i had different opinion but I found out its part of the govt agendas dictated by the west!

I said geopolitically, you don't fit in this camp; ethiopia, saudi arabia, USA, djibouti etc

Why eritria clashed with them and how it survived? By being "the cupa of africa"

You need to go the opposite way that vs djibouti in that region.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Gurey how has this obese teddy bear in charge of djibouti managed to hold onto power for so long? I mean, other than port revenues and being bribed by gaalo he has done absolutely fck all for his people. Do you think people resent him enough to want somebody else in charge? It's not good having several different western armies right next door to us. If I was in charge oc SL I would make a secret deal with his opposition (mainly Isaaq, gadabursi and canfar) to fund and back any coup in exchange for removal of foreign bases from djibouti.

[gurey25]

Gurey how has this obese teddy bear in charge of djibouti managed to hold onto power for so long? I mean, other than port revenues and being bribed by gaalo he has done absolutely fck all for his people. Do you think people resent him enough to want somebody else in charge? It's not good having several different western armies right next door to us. If I was in charge oc SL I would make a secret deal with his opposition (mainly Isaaq, gadabursi and canfar) to fund and back any coup in exchange for removal of foreign bases from djibouti.

He is a useful client and because of this he will be protected .
Only a really popular open rebellion will work, not coupes.

[gurey25]

I said geopolitically, you don't fit in this camp; ethiopia, saudi arabia, USA, djibouti etc

How could we not fit?
We are a weak pliable and ideologically correct state. We would do anything they tell us.
Why settle for one djibouti when you can have 2, and even better one with a "democracy" and oil as well as strategic position.
As i said earlier we are not that important, they do not wish us harm, but they do not care about our situation, pressuring somalia into talks is one of the crumbs they throw us.
If the drive towards recognition gets going they need to keep us the way we are, pliant and accommodating clients, otherwise there is always china waiting at the corner, ready to provide a better deal.

[sahal80]

I said geopolitically, you don't fit in this camp; ethiopia, saudi arabia, USA, djibouti etc

How could we not fit?
We are a weak pliable and ideologically correct state. We would do anything they tell us.
Why settle for one djibouti when you can have 2, and even better one with a "democracy" and oil as well as strategic position.
As i said earlier we are not that important, they do not wish us harm, but they do not care about our situation, pressuring somalia into talks is one of the crumbs they throw us.
If the drive towards recognition gets going they need to keep us the way we are, pliant and accommodating clients, otherwise there is always china waiting at the corner, ready to provide a better deal.

Because the somali govt and djibouti fit more in that hegemony(arab/west)

Somali govt is now moving from the qatari camp to saudi arabia and UAE camp and her and ethiopia can geopolitically coexist in that camp

Look how the ethiopian govt is offering a help to the somali govt in order to prevent other countries from helping her

Many regions have democracy and self rule without getting recognition, its all about interests

As for the oil I don't think you can extract it before you settle this issue with the somali govt, the same way, the somali govt can't in there before the issue was settled

The somali govt is about to make a new petroleum law wich prohibites the foreing companies to deal with the regional authorities directly

I guess these issues will be like the airspace

What do you think of this link attributed to the italian embassy in mogadishu seen it today in the websites from south and puntland? If this is true, then maybe the same thing is waiting the oil.
http://www.qaranimo.com/2014/03/31/the- ... -in-italy/