Re: Sheekh Yuusuf Al Kowneyn and Sheekh Yuusuf Aw Barkhadle

[X.Playa]

The first written record of either saint was in 1847 by ltd C.J. Curttenden on his visit to the Somali interior. On page 23 On his travell among the Somals he mentioned the tomb of Aw Barakhdle and identified the saint as a native somali in his " memoir on the western or Edoor tribes". There was no confusion as to the identity of Aw Barkhadle till a century later, even the somali oral poetry attests to the veracity of the explorers case. Qawdhan Ducaale a relative of the saint (his great uncle) mentions Aw Barkhadle as one of his ancestor.


Anakay awowyaal no ahaayeen awliyada qaare
Sheekh Yuusuf baa noo muddo ah Iida loo kacae
Goortu ishaaray baa Qudbiga ururku joogaaye.

An approxcimate time of Aw Barkhadle family affiliation would place his life and death beween late 1700s and early 1800s.


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In 1854 on his visit to Zeila Richard Burton gathered from local historian and genealogist the arrival of Sheekh Yuusuf Al Kowneyn (Sharif Yuusuf Al Baghdadi) from Baghdad to the Somali lands some 450 years before 1854 the time of Burtons visit. Both records from the ninteen century don't confuse the tow saints ethnicities.

Its hard to pinpoint exactly the originator of the confusion, my initial research so far points to three culprits, one been the fading oral history a century later through somali oral historians confusion of Al Kownayn exploit with Bucar Bacayr in Bay And Bakool region with saint Aw Barkhadle of Hargaysa region. Secondly western academics such as the late I M. Lewis who through his careless western record checking failed to notice Curttenden paper, also his trust of the much polluted oral memory of the the 1950s generation whom he interviewed. Thirdly the somali linguistic panel who added more confusion to the mess by mentioning Aw Barkhadles somali script as that of the Arab saint, one should of asked how can Arab pronounce "dh" sound and even employing the word "dhabay" as in ( alif la kor dhabay, alif la hoos dhabay".

[X.Playa]

https://archive.org/details/jstor-1798086
Page 23.

[LeJusticier]

Thanks bro. I am printing now.
Sheikh yousuf was pioneer of quran texts into somali " Alif la kor dhabat B la go'day" an Arab man with linguistic talent.
I still looking for his link with Somalis.
Hopefully when read this will shed a light.

[X.Playa]

The man who coined that script was Aw Barkhadle the somali saint not Al Kownayn the Arab saint. When somalis and westerners like I.M.Lewis confused the tow men and merged them into one man the tow Yuusufs became confused.

In fact the Bucur Bacayr incident did not take placs in the north and Al Kownayn never set foot in somaliland. All that took place in the south.

[HusseinHassan]

disregard my post

[X.Playa]

Its obvious you have not read the post as usual, of course he is buried there, but Yuusuf Al Kownayn is not and never was Yuusuf Aw Barkhadle.

[HusseinHassan]

disregard my posts.

[X.Playa]

Yes al kownayn never set foot on somaliland soil and is not buried there. The saint who is buried there is Aw Barkhadle a later 18 century somali saint.

[HusseinHassan]

oh, now i see what you're talking about

[X.Playa]

http://books.google.ca/books?id=P5AZyEh ... =html_text

I.M.Lewis and Cruelli the Italian author seem to have confounded and confused many myth of so many men into these 2 saints and finally merged the tow as one in the somali psych, its virtually impossible to separate them today.

So how one explains away the oral history of the mid ninteen century Northerners who from 1847 to 1942 regarded both in oral poetry and tribal tardition Aw Barkhadle as Somali saint, to their later decendants who told I.M Lewis the Arab tardition of Awbarkhadle.

My theory is that as time passed the southern sufi tarditions of Al Kownayns myth was adopted by later
shrine keepers in the north and thus Awbarkhadle a northern Somali saint became the southern Al Kownayn Arab Sharif.

[Grant]

Thank you, Sir. That was even better than the first time.

[LeJusticier]

The man who coined that script was Aw Barkhadle the somali saint not Al Kownayn the Arab saint. When somalis and westerners like I.M.Lewis confused the tow men and merged them into one man the tow Yuusufs became confused.

In fact the Bucur Bacayr incident did not take placs in the north and Al Kownayn never set foot in somaliland. All that took place in the south.

Thanks for the clarity.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

So this Yusuf Awbarkhadle fellow AUN invented or developed an arabic script for the somali language?

Also this is the problem when people don't write anything down two figures with similar names get coalesced into one hybrid figure in history. If I'm not mistaken, that's also what happened to Ahmed Gurey who was a Habr Magaadle emir who was himself combined with Ahmed Ibn Ibrahim al Ghazi, the figure we know as the Ahmed Gurey today?

[X.Playa]

garaad Axmed Geri the habar magaadle cheif ( Garaad Axmed Xuseen ) is confused with Imaam Axmed , the Imaam never had any nickname be it Geri or Gurey.

[Caesar]

The man who coined that script was Aw Barkhadle the somali saint not Al Kownayn the Arab saint. When somalis and westerners like I.M.Lewis confused the tow men and merged them into one man the tow Yuusufs became confused.

In fact the Bucur Bacayr incident did not take placs in the north and Al Kownayn never set foot in somaliland. All that took place in the south.

WTF



YOU MUST NOT BE FROM WAAQOYI.