Question about Somalia forces

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

I know this a stupid question but I'll ask anyway. This is especially directed at sahal. All the money and military equipment going to the ugandans and kenyans in Somalia, why is it not simply going to the native somali forces? Why is AMISOM a completely foreign element being fed and paid by the west to do absolutely nothing but the somali army is left in the rain. How is this any kind of strategy? I know there's governmental corruption but are you saying that AMISOM isn't corrupt. It's the equivalent of NATO paying Pakistan to invade Afghanistan instead of training indigenous governmental forces. It's not in the interest of AMISOM to eradicate alshabab.

[AbdiWahab252]

Well its all based on feasbility asked by foreign governments:

1. Is the party receiving the military aid a responsible party that can be trusted to manage the aid effectively ?

2. Will that party use the military aid in ways not proscribed to ? In other words will it war with other Somali clients ?

3. Short term vs Long term feasibility - Building a military takes years but Al Shabab and Piracy are an immediate, clear and present danger to my interests as a foreign government ?


Based on these three questions, it makes more sense from the foreign donor's interest to fund a capable, disciplined force like AMISOM rather than any Somali force.

But so as not to offend us Somalis, they give us nonlethal aid: trainings, clothing, a vehicle or two

and of course, the opportunity to build prisons to host pirates because frankly its not worth the hassle of jailing them overseas.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

So basically waxaad tihiin caruur la sassabo. Meanwhile kumki mwanbaw is eating five square meals a day and is paid enough to put his kids through school and save up a nice stash. And the beauty of it is he doesn't have to lift a finger just act like he's doing domething. I bet everyday he thanks jesus for alshabab and the doqons that run the country.

[FarhanYare]

So basically waxaad tihiin caruur la sassabo. Meanwhile kumki mwanbaw is eating five square meals a day and is paid enough to put his kids through school and save up a nice stash. And the beauty of it is he doesn't have to lift a finger just act like he's doing domething. I bet everyday he thanks jesus for alshabab and the doqons that run the country.

[AbdiWahab252]

So basically waxaad tihiin caruur la sassabo. Meanwhile kumki mwanbaw is eating five square meals a day and is paid enough to put his kids through school and save up a nice stash. And the beauty of it is he doesn't have to lift a finger just act like he's doing domething. I bet everyday he thanks jesus for alshabab and the doqons that run the country.

Liquid,

Its a little better in the North. You are given a small prison where international navies dump pirates and you are given money to play nanny to these men. Yet the same navies protect their vessels who illegal fish in your waters. Not to mention the private Mi5 force that operates freely in Waqqoyi outside Silaanyo's reach. That being said, you are a little better than the South

[gurey25]

Liquid,

Its a little better in the North. You are given a small prison where international navies dump pirates and you are given money to play nanny to these men. Yet the same navies protect their vessels who illegal fish in your waters. Not to mention the private Mi5 force that operates freely in Waqqoyi outside Silaanyo's reach. That being said, you are a little better than the South

Foriegn factory fishing vessels do not fish in somaliland waters they were attempts in the early 90's but where stopped by our ramshacle " patrol boats" during egals tenure., they fish in Somalia waters.
Yemeni fishermen do fish in somaliland waters but the dozens of boats confiscated and yemeni fishermen in jail are clear to see , just go to berbera.

about the intelligence agencies yes it is sad but what can we do?
we are not recognized and are forced to play nice with our main donors.

[AbdiWahab252]

Gurey,

The problem is that illegal fishing is a prevelant across the continent. If a more advanced country like Kenya can not control it on a much smaller coastline than Somaliland, how can you expect a ramshackle patrol navy to stop such acts ? They can stop the visible fishing in settled areas but not the remote coastlines in areas where there are few fishermen to report such illegal fishing.

The point is that Somali security forces be they in Somaliland or Somalia are weak and rely too much on foreigners to varying degrees. The technical training is provided by them. Some are paid by them. Foreigners offer security guarantees to some from encroachment by Al Shabab. AMISOM has been a success to the international community: bargain peacekeepers and importantly expendable thereby saving white lives. The last UN operation in Somalia was burning through nearly 1 billion per month to run operations. AMISOM costs less than a quarter than that per year.

So I doubt that foreign groups are going to arm or equip Somali forces where ever they are beyond what they may need to fight Somali enemies or allow them to have capacity to stand up against their foreign backers or neighboring countries.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

So pretty much what I said above. You knows this, I know this. The question is why the Somali government doesn't know this? And if it does, why hasn't it done anything about it? I do not buy into the notion that all southern polticians are completely unpatriotic and morally bankrupt. Neither do I buy that the South is completely vulnerable and impotent against alshabab. How can you do nothing with the knowledge that billions of dollars worth of marine food is being stolen from your waters. Meanwhile in the next drought hundreds of Somalis will starve and the ones that survive will be given stale cornmeal courtesy of the countries that are stealing your fish.

[LobsterUnit]

So pretty much what I said above. You knows this, I know this. The question is why the Somali government doesn't know this? And if it does, why hasn't it done anything about it? I do not buy into the notion that all southern polticians are completely unpatriotic and morally bankrupt. Neither do I buy that the South is completely vulnerable and impotent against alshabab. How can you do nothing with the knowledge that billions of dollars worth of marine food is being stolen from your waters. Meanwhile in the next drought hundreds of Somalis will starve and the ones that survive will be given stale cornmeal courtesy of the countries that are stealing your fish.

genius, what do you expect the so called Somali government to do?if you are not satisfied with the answers provided please educate us.