April 1941: Kismayo

[AbdiJohnson]

British troops pull down a fascist Italian monument



I am,

Abdi "I wish they had color back then" Johnson

[LobsterUnit]

April 2014-kenyans are eating lobsters in kismaayo.i am baasto akuna matata unit.

[original dervish]

That's life son.

[Tanker]

May the Somali victims of Italian fascism rest in peace Amen

[The_Patriot]

1941 Jubbaland was still a british protectorate.
The Italians were awarded by the British that parcel of land after the second world war.

[Grant]

1941 Jubbaland was still a british protectorate.
The Italians were awarded by the British that parcel of land after the second world war.

No. It was more complicated than that. The Brits gave it to the Italians in 1926 as a reward for their alliance during WWI. During WWII the Brits took it back after the Italians attacked Britsh Somaliland, and held it until 1949, when the UN gave it back to the Italians as a Trust Territory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kismayo

"On 7 November 1890, Zanzibar became a British protectorate, and on 1 July 1895, the Sultanate ceded all of its coastal possessions in continental East Africa to Britain. Together with the Zanzibar Sultanate's other former possessions in the area, Jubaland became part of the British East Africa colony.

The ascendancy of the Harti merchant community crystallized under the British administration. They became the first Somali employees of the state, establishing themselves as an educated, urban professional class.[5]

In 1925 local authorities from the Harti and Ogaden Somali clans reached an agreement, with the British acting as enforcer. The signatories each had different accounts of the agreed to partition. According to the Ogaden, the pact gave their Sultan Ahmed Magan control of Jubaland at large. The Harti maintained that the agreement stipulated that the part of the city south of the Liboi–Kismayo road would remain under their control, while the Ogaden, and its Mohamed Zubeir subdivision in particular, would administer the area to the north of this. The pact also allowed the Mohamed Zubeir access to the port.[5]

The territory was subsequently ceded to Italy, purportedly as a reward for the Italians having joined the Allies in World War I,[6] and had a brief existence as the Italian colony of 'Trans-Juba (Oltre Giuba). The Italians subsequently referred to the city as Chisimaio. Kismayo and the northern half of the Jubaland region were then incorporated into neighboring Italian Somaliland on 30 June 1926. The colony had a total area of 87,000 km² (33,000 sq mi), with a population of 120,000 inhabitants. Britain retained control of the southern half of the partitioned Jubaland territory, which was later called the Northern Frontier District (NFD).[7]

Under Italian administration, the Harti retained their position as the professional elite. After independence in 1960 and the establishment of a civilian administration, the 1968 parliamentary elections saw Harti MPs win all four of the seats earmarked for Kismayo.["

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Somaliland

"Italian Somaliland (Italian: Somalia italiana, Arabic: الصومال الإيطالي‎ Al-Sumal Al-Italiy, Somali: Dhulka Talyaaniga ee Soomaaliya), also known as Italian Somalia, was a colony of the Kingdom of Italy in present-day northeastern, central and southern Somalia. Ruled in the 19th century by the Somali Majeerteen Sultanate and the Sultanate of Hobyo, the territory was later acquired in the 1880s by Italy through various treaties.[1]

In 1926, the region was integrated into Italian East Africa as part of the Italian Empire. This would last until 1941, during World War II. Italian Somaliland then came under British military administration until 1949, when it became a United Nations trusteeship, the Trust Territory of Somalia, under Italian administration. On July 1, 1960, the Trust Territory of Somalia united as scheduled with the briefly extant State of Somaliland (the former British Somaliland) to form the Somali Republic.[2"]

[malibantu]

Kismayu is the official capital city of my Mali Bantu people.
The time when our people was stolen by rahanwayne biibaal daaroood and make them sub clans is over. Mighty Bantu is awaken. Kismayu is the official capital city of my mushunguli and bajooni people, and we refuced to become part of farodheer darod clan

[original dervish]

Don't worry.....the day's of moryaanism is over.

[AbdiWahab252]

Benito Mussolini was the first man to unite the Somali territories. If Itali had won the war we would have been united

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Benito Mussolini was the first man to unite the Somali territories. If Itali had won the war we would have been united

Imagine some group of people dividing your land and gifting eachother with it. Evidently, we were a useless bunch animals even back then.

[Grant]

Benito Mussolini was the first man to unite the Somali territories. If Itali had won the war we would have been united

AW,

Mussolini only held British Somaliland for a matter of months and Churchill had the evacuating British officer canned, as he felt there had been no reason to abandon it. As the posted picture indicates, the Brits had control of all of Somalia again by early 1941.

Had the Fascists won WWII Somalis would have been such a small drop in the Italian pond they may even have disappeared. This is actually a short list. Italy was active in Kenya and the Sudan and the clear Fascist goal was Egypt and the Suez Canal. Had they won, most of North Africa, and all of East Africa north of SA would almost certainly have ended up Fascist colonies. This would not have been a good thing for Black folks and Muslims.

Here's what the Italians held early-on in the war:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Empire

"Italian imperial possessions and recognized spheres of influence (1861–1943)

Italian East Africa (colony, occupied territory, 1886 (first territory gained)/1936-1941)
Eritrea (colony, 1886–1936, colonial governorate, 1936–1941)
Somalia (colony, 1889–1936, colonial governorate, 1936–1941, annexed British Somaliland in 1940)
Amhara (colonial governorate founded from territory of Ethiopia, 1935–1941)
Galla-Sidamo (colonial governorate founded from territory of Ethiopia, 1935–1941)
Harar (colonial governorate founded from territory of Ethiopia, 1935–1941)
Scioa (colonial governorate founded from territory of Ethiopia, 1935–1941)
Tientsin Concession (colony, 1901-1943)
Libya (colony, 1912–1943)
Albania (de facto protectorate: 1917-1920, 1926–1939; de jure protectorate 1939-1943 which annexed southern parts of Yugoslavia in 1941 including most of Kosovo and parts of Vardar Macedonia and present-day Montenegro)
Dodecanese Islands (territory (Italian: possedimento), 1919–1943)
Section of Anatolia (sphere of influence, 1919–1923)
Majorca (occupied territory, 1936–1939)
Croatia (protectorate, 1941–1943)
Montenegro (protectorate, 1941–1943)
Tunisia (occupied territory, 1942–1943)

[original dervish]

There was no significant difference between fascist Italy & Imperial Britain as far as indigenous peoples were concerned.
Both engaged in ethnic cleansing, genocide & crimes against humanity.
If anything Britain has by far the worse record of genocide, compared to the other imperial powers.

[Grant]

http://www.sahistory.org.za/article/imp ... ory-online

OD,

Emphatically not so. Britain ruled indirectly, through existing local political systems. By comparison, they barely touched the local cultures.

France, Portugal, Germany, Belgium, Italy and Spain all opted for direct governance. Although Belgium used the Tutsis to indirectly control the Hutus in Rwanda, their direct control of the Belgian Congo is regarded as the most cruel of colonial administrations. The Italian policy was not only direct governance, but replacement of local populations by Italians.

"Italian population in Somalia
After the conquest of Ethiopia in 1936, Italian Somaliland was expanded by the Italian government with the annexation of the Ogaden region.

The first Italians moved to Somalia at the end of the nineteenth century. In 1923, there were less than a thousand Italians in Italian Somaliland.[27] However, it was not until after World War I that this number rose, with the settlers primarily concentrated in the towns of Mogadishu, Kismayo, Brava, and other cites in the south-central Benadir region.

The colonial period emigration to Italian Somaliland initially mainly consisted of men. Emigration of entire families was only later promoted during the Fascist period, mainly in the agricultural developments of the Villaggio Duca degli Abruzzi (Jowhar), near the Shebelle River.[28] In 1920, the Societa Agricola Italo-Somala (SAIS) was founded by the Prince Luigi Amedeo, Duke of the Abruzzi in order to explore the agricultural potential of central Italian Somaliland and create a colony for Italian farmers..[29]

The area of Janale in southern Somalia (near the Jubba River) was another place where Italian colonists from Turin developed a group of farms. Under governor De Vecchi, these agricultural areas cultivated cotton, and after 1931, also produced large quantities of banana exports.[30]

In 1935, there were over 50,000 Italians living in Italian Somaliland. Of those, 20,000 resided in Mogadishu (called Mogadiscio in Italian), representing around 40% of the city's 50,000 residents. Other Italian settler communities were concentrated in the Villaggio Duca degli Abruzzi, Adale (Itala in Italian), Janale, Jamame, and Kismayo.[2][31][32] The same year, during the Second Italo-Ethiopian War, there were more than 220,000 Italian soldiers stationed in Italian Somaliland.[33]

By 1942, 30,000 Italians lived in Mogadishu, representing around 33% of the city's total 90,000 residents.[31] They frequented local Italian schools that the colonial authorities had opened, such as the Liceum.[28]

Italian Somalis were concentrated in the cities of Mogadishu, Merca, Baidoa, Kismayo and the agricultural areas of the riverine Jubba and Shebelle valleys (around Jowhar/Villaggio Duca degli Abruzzi).

After World War II, the number of Italians in Somali territory started to decrease. By 1960 and the establishment of the Somali Republic, their numbers had dwindled to less than 10,000. Most Italian settlers returned to Italy, while others settled in the United States, United Kingdom, Finland and Australia. In 1972, there were 1,575 Italians remaining in Somalia, down from 1,962 in 1970. This decline was largely due to the nationalization policy adopted by the Siad Barre administration.[34] By 1989, there were only 1,000 of the settlers left, with fewer after the start of the civil war and the fall of the Barre regime in 1991. Many Italian Somalis had by then departed for other countries. With the disappearance of Italians from Somalia, the number of Roman Catholic adherents dropped from a record high of 8,500 parishioners in 1950 (0.7% of Mogadishu's population) to just 100 individuals in 2004.[35]"

[original dervish]

My comments were referring to British Imperialism in it's entirety, not a mere footnote.
PS How much local culture remained in Australia/Eastern USA after British colonial rule?

[Grant]

OD,

Your view of Britain and the native Americans in the eastern US is decidedly warped. For one thing, most of the expansion west came after 1776. For another, the vast majority of native tribes are still extant, although their cultures and languages have largely been subsumed, and a majority of Eastern tribes were pushed west, into Oklahoma and Arkansas. But most deaths were from measles and smallpox, and the tribes were always recognized by the US as distinct and separate nations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Ame ... ted_States

The British in Australia were under the impression the Aborigines were nomads who could just as well move to another piece of ground down the road. I imagine it was similar to the Italian feelings about Somalis. Disease also played a significant role. The Aussies today recognize the errors of their ancestors' ways and have moved to make partial corrections. As of today, Aborigines hold roughly 22% of Australia and serve in the armed forces and Australian politics. Not that it replaces the lost population, languages and culture, but the Aboriginal peoples received an official Government apology in 2008.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... ustralians

I can't imagine any such thing happening under any Fascist administration.