Is Al-sheydhaan merely a symptom or the diagnosis?

[Lamagoodle]

The so called 4,5 formulae concocted through foreign influence to fortify the disintegration of Somalia, and its offshoot federalism is the main reason why peace is eluding Somalia.

The 4, 5 formulae is neither based on science nor written in a divine script. It is grounded on social constructions that have become conventional wisdom. This sick formulae has been dictated by inane people. It has become pervasive among the petite-brained diaspora Somalis whose cannot make a decent living through hard work.

All over the west, you will find welfare cheats, school dropouts, petty thieves, qaad addicts and the likes who engage in discourses of “my clan should have more” “ my clan kills more people than yours”

The invention of Federalism is the latest boloney. You hear and read about Lalalands, which are in essence tribal enclaves masquerading as a viable “land” “federal state” etc.

You see photos of “beautiful” buildings only to notice that the foundations of the buildings are rickety.

A small tarmacked road is called a highway.

A small pond is called a lake.

A small farm is called a plantation.

Etc

Etc

Stones become mountains

Rivers become oceans

Foucault – the father of discourse- where art thou?


In the somali context, thinking and reasoning should be done collectively. We are on a train of self-destruction. If you think outside the box of tribalism, you are dubbed with labels.

Even the sheikhs will find a qiil to kill.

We are all wearing the emperor’s new clothes but there is no one to tell us that we are naked.

Tribal websites and entrepreneurial TV stations feed us dosages of feel good opium. Tribal militias are called “Cidanka qaranka, lalaland”

Day in and day out, the TV stations feed us Prozac as if we are suffering from depression. If you are not aware of our tribulations, you will certainly think that Somalia is a great county and that the Somalis are doing well.

You will see adult males and females whose mission in life appears to be to seduce member of the opposite sex.

The men wear ties and suits to impress.

The women wear dahab as if to mock the poor.

Titles are diffused. It is general hebel, Dotoor hebel, Injineer hebel, mudane hebel .

The norm is hadaadan faantimin nin/naag ma tihid.

When we gather we sing “Soomaaliyey toosoy” without asking ourselves “maxaan la jiifanay”.

It is as if all of us are sexually frustrated and engaged in a courting exercise. I wish Freud had lived to witness this; he could have proposed a theory of “ somali complex” which are underpinned by sexual desires.

In the diaspora, our morass is gigantic. We are the laughing stock of the global community.

You see how members of these boards engage in tribal BS. The same tribal BS - who are hoping for destruction of other clans- engage in subxaanalah, bismillahi and pious words when they feel that islam is under attack. A good muslim is not a partime muslim. A good muslim will not partake in tribal BS.

Check for yourselves; there is a positive relationship between tribalists on this forum and the islaan baan nahay folks.

We have become the empirical evidence for racist laden “social Darwinism” theories on human evolution. Our kids are not performing in schools compared to other immigrant kids. Our women are visiting welfare offices claiming that they are single mothers as if they are not married. Our men shout in streets and in cafeterias as if they live in the jungle.

Where is the wadaad to tell her that it is against islam to claim that you are a single mother to reap welfare benefits?

Chances are that the wadaad and the husband are praying in the mosque and engaged in Gaalo this and gaalo that.

Our kids who were born in the diaspora are either in jail, chewing qaad or following the footsteps of their parents (i.e. have became ma shaqeeysteyaal fadhi-ku-dirir tribalists)

Racist parties in Europe use the difficulties of integrating Somalis in their campaigns. They need not go far for their racial theories to be verified.

Our so-called parliament and government are nothing but a bunch of thugs, warlords, welfare cheats and ma shaqeeysteyaal.

It is a fool’s government .

It is a mindless parliament manned by petite brain thugs who cannot make decent living.

It is based on the 4.5 malignancy which has metastasised to every lalaland and village.

The parliamentarians and ministers have neither the intellectual capital nor the moral compass needed to move our people, town and country forward. They bark loud like desolate pooches, claiming to do this and that and hoping that woofing will make them more famous. They have an insatiable appetite for dough and fame.

They act like teenage boys and girls looking to be laid. Gosh. Airlift them to Germany or Holland to be laid. That might be a prescription.

Their moral compass is defined by the content of their bellies, how many women they have laid and how many times they appeared on TV stations; they will sell their daughters, mothers and even their grandmothers in order to be called “General” “ Mudane” and other preposterous labels.

What you say?

[SecretAgent]

Somalis have no power nothing all this laland and very village is supported and funded by un,eu,igad,kenya,ethiopa,amisom everything is run by them the somali govt is a bystander thats all

[gurey25]

Isnt this the natural state of somalis?

Were we ever a single united nation before the Colonialist?

I dont know about you but i believe we are back to normalcy and the period of nationalism was an aberation that was forced on us by the colonialists.

The biggest obstacle to peace and a functioning somali state is the belief that ones own clan can grasp the highlands of power and keep their rivals down.

Once this belief is destroyed then you can link up all these mini states/tribal enclaves as building blocks of a new state.
The problem is pulling it off while under the control of our nieghbouring countries that are our strategic rivals will be very difficult.

[SecretAgent]

Un,eu,ethiopa are so funny they support everyone somaliland,TFG,puntland,jubbaland they open offices in all states whats the point of having 4 allies

[Daff]

The cartel in Nairobbery, neighboring states, Amisom are all there to make sure the continuation of the status quo. Somalia has become their cash cow. When Alsheydaan is finished, another round of fighting will start over this federal thing. Alsheydaan is just delaying the inevitable.

[AbdiWahab252]

The major underlying reason is that the war is never allowed to play out to its end. If the UN had not interfered in 1992 and left the Somalis to their own devices, there would have been a victor and a loser with the victor enjoying his wins & the loser accepting his defeat. Look at Rwanda, Kagame was allowed to take his winnings and left to rule without the French undermining his victory. Meles was allowed to enjoy his wins. Ditto with Afeworki etc.

[BeyondQabil]

The major underlying reason is that the war is never allowed to play out to its end. If the UN had not interfered in 1992 and left the Somalis to their own devices, there would have been a victor and a loser with the victor enjoying his wins & the loser accepting his defeat. Look at Rwanda, Kagame was allowed to take his winnings and left to rule without the French undermining his victory. Meles was allowed to enjoy his wins. Ditto with Afeworki etc.

Somalia has been allowed to go on with its journey for 20 years without any progress.

[gurey25]

no it hasnt, there have been 3 major interventions , 92-95, 2006 ethiopian invasion, and the current amisom.
not to mention that somalia has been ethiopias playground since 94., and now kenyas too.

[AbdiWahab252]

no it hasnt, there have been 3 major interventions , 92-95, 2006 ethiopian invasion, and the current amisom.
not to mention that somalia has been ethiopias playground since 94., and now kenyas too.

And when you don't have a decisive victor, conflict never ends.

[XimanJaale]

Isnt this the natural state of somalis?

Were we ever a single united nation before the Colonialist?

Somalis were not the only ethnic group in the world that was not a single united nation before. All of humanity were merely small kings and queens and different groups in different countries. There might have been different empire's that brought the system of unifying a group of people i.e. Ottoman, British, Ajuuraan, Islamic Khalifa etc.

But the world is not stuck in the past and new system come along and the world continues to develop and become more modern. From establishing a unified country into establishing a unified continent and so on. Things progress and we Somalis must wake up and stop being stuck in the past.

I dont know about you but i believe we are back to normalcy and the period of nationalism was an aberation that was forced on us by the colonialists.

Nationalism is not the only thing that can unite a country or people. Though it is the most important thing that can unite a country. If we go back in world history, nationalism came to existence in the mid 18 century.

The biggest obstacle to peace and a functioning somali state is the belief that ones own clan can grasp the highlands of power and keep their rivals down.

Once this belief is destroyed then you can link up all these mini states/tribal enclaves as building blocks of a new state.
The problem is pulling it off while under the control of our nieghbouring countries that are our strategic rivals will be very difficult.

I agree with this, and not many Somalis are aware of this.

[XimanJaale]

JaalleMarx,

Al-Shabaab is symptom caused by the chaos Somalia has been going through since 1991. In a way it is a symptom as the lawlessness has prompted such ideology to flourish.
Lack of law, lack of jobs, lack of education. Why is there a lack of law? because there is lack of unity. Why is there a lack of unity? because there is a lack of trust amongst Somalis.

Somalia needs a grass-root movement, it needs both a social and political revolution and we can do it.

[Lamagoodle]

Secret A; I don’t think the west (EU, Canada and the US) want to see chaos in Somalia. On the contrary, they want a stable Somalia and are driven by two main motives: 1) they believe that a volatile Somalia will become a safe haven for terrorism 2) There are substantial numbers of Somalis ( at least in Europe) who are difficult to integrate. Finding a stable homeland will according to conventional wisdom deter new arrivals and induce those in the west to return,

The AU and neighbouring countries’ motives are not based on altruism; The financial rewards of UN peace missions are huge. They have budget holes in their economies and a mission such as AMISON sustains their military; Training of soldiers, armour and salaries. Expenses are pocketed by the global community.

Logical because the west does not want to engage in an invasion when they can outsource.

Kenya and Ethiopia are the new colonial powerbrokers. Creating and sustaining a weak government and federal states (tribal enclaves) serves them right. They have discovered that calling Somalis madaxweyne is the penultimate lure to divide Somalis.

The Somali government cannot do anything. What can it do? Its existence depends on the goodwill of donor countries and AU. Let us be pragmatic. Somalia is a poor country; An excel budget sheet only shows liabilities; no taxes are collected.

Gurey: we were not united but was there a country that was ever united before the onset of nationhood? Nationhood all around the globe is a relatively new phenomenon. Germany became a nation in the 19th century just to take an example.

You mention that the biggest obstacle is “belief that one’s own clan can grasp the highlands of power and keep their rivals down.”. I agree but this not stop at the clan level. It will mutate at the sub-clan level, then at the sub-sub-clan level, then it is the family and engages cousins, brothers etc.

DafI iyo Miriq; Al-sheydhaan thrives on the presence of troops from Kenya and Ethiopia. I think the presence of Kenyan and Ethiopian troops and the weak government, which in their eyes is a lackey, is the main reason why they are still potent. They also thrive on injustices, unemployment, human rights abuses and other ills that have characterised the Somali government. For instance, when the government with the help of AU forces drives out al-sheydhaan from a town, government soldiers misbehave, infighting on tribal/clan lines is common and inhabitants yearn for al-sheydhaan comeback.

The strategy of the government should change; it should focus on earning the trust of the people and this can only be done by upholding justice.

Abdiwahab; you are probably right. I think an organic solution is vital.

Ximaan; grassroots movements and internal solutions are needed. But can grassroots movements be created and sustained? It is a resource issue.

I think what is needed is young men and women who will say no to tribalism.

Tribalism manifested in the 4, 5 formulae is the elephant in the room. Federalism is its sprout. No wonder 4,5 encourages a system where thinking and nationhood are thrown out of the window. It has created a situation where MPS are “selected” merely on the merits of Ma shaqeyste, barking hounds who use tribalism to rally and tribal supremoes whose own existence depends on promoting it.

So is the government. The PM and cabinet are based on 4,5 which hampers progress.

Fighting tribalism and reversing the sick formulae of 4,5 will help.

Federalism is also baloney. A suggestion here is town councils /counties/ degmo instead of lalalands.

I also think that the somali quagmire is more than finding a governance mechanism/structure. It is a cultural issue. We have evolved into a society that shuns all aspects of creating and sustaining good citizenry. This is quite strong in the diaspora. We (passengers) are on a train that is driven by blind drivers. The conductors are both deaf and blind. The destination is perdition.

It is a question of moral decay that has encompassed all walks of our people.

[Reacher]

I gave up on Somalia. I know it won't change in my lifetime. As such, arrimaheeda iskuma wareeriyo.

[The`Republic]

Kind of hard to take you seriously considering you were Jamstreet's cheerleader at a time when 98% of his posts were the worst kind of vitriol directed a clan.

Abdiwahab, I guess the UN drove USC from Gaalkacyo or drove them out of Baardheere. Get real dude.The UN came to make sure Baydhabo could access the food they were sending them. By that time you suffered three defeats just trying to take over Caabudwaaq.

Neither Ethiopia nor Rwanda had a 100 different factions each heavily armed.

[Caesar]

the question is why do people join al shabaab i dont understand

what does it provide what kind of benefits,healthcare education? or just bullet holes for your family

stupid somali people

im from the most northern and western part of somalia i dont know about this duqonimo called al shabaab break it down for me

lets say a random farah in south somalia joins it what does he get? a bowl of bariis wtf