Hawdian why do you think Tigre are better than Amhara

[Khalid Ali]

Hawdian u repeatedly told the idoor communities the Tigres are better than Amhara but in what way politically socially is the way their behavior or the way they view Somalis different. Since you are an Ethiopian and grew up with these communities and attend their gatherings. Mengistu and the derg had their ideals and visions for Ethiopia. The Isaaq had more business opportunity in Ethiopia during the derg from allot of sectors import export business to Hauling to news papers media to the coffee business even manufacturing , in my opinion the Amhara are less greedy than the Tigre.

The Amhara allow other communities eat with them from the same plate the kitfo. And i believe marginally the Amhara are more confident than the Tigre , Do you think in the Future its in the best interest for Isaaq to back the Amhare re emergence in Ethiopian politics something along the line of u scratch my back i scratch yours. The Amhara to support the unity of The Hawd and reserve back to Somaliland , And the isaaq to support Ethiopian Menz Amhara to defeat the Tigres do you think this is a possible scenario in the future.

[Hawdian]

Khalid,

I don't say that Tigrai is better than Amhara. They are the same yet different and unique in their own rightful ways. Each has its advantages and disadvantages. Each has his strength and weaknesses.

I respect the Amhara people because if you really want to learn to accept others then you need to spend good year amongst the Amhara who see no ethnicity, religion or races. They are advanced when it comes to tolerance. They are principle people who will not pass an inch on what you two had agreed up on.

Mengistu Hailemariam was not an Amhara. He disliked them because of how the royal court had treated him and his mother (Konso - Bantu minority). The Royal Court was not pure Amhara for there is no such thing in modern time. The Amhara is mixture of many ethnics and confederates of many ethnics. They are the speakers of Amharic and protectors of the land. For them Ethiopia is mother and all are the children.

They are statehood people. The Tigrais are sort of like us Somalis in many ways than one. They are strong when united and their number one skill is the ability to mobilize sort of like us Isaaq. I often see us in them and that's why I am closer to them. Their struggle is similar to ours. The hate and blame we get for nothing is something they also know too well. They are mirror reflection of us. They are proud people and will walk away if the house is disastrous like us but the Amhara is patient.

We have Habar subs and they have Awraja sub-divisions. Just like we ask certain suldan from certain reer to be the head of certain mission and agenda, they do mobilize at grassroots levels before branching. The Amhara do not have such skill or mindset. They await for the one define leader to unite them all and take them to promise land. The Tigrai is like us and every son and individual has to take ownership of the rest and initiatives.

They are also better fighters haven't always lived in hostile harsh mountainous region. They have been invaded from every direction. Even our own Isaaq sons have been there and they know it. Likewise they invaded us and even made the first record of the word "Somali" by their Emperor Yeshaq I (which is Isaaq in Geez thus our own name). You see me often say Yeshaq

All in all, both are good communities and Isaaq interest is not to put them head to head but to offer peace amongst them as the Habesha. They are no threat to us. We do not need to arm Amhara against Tigrai and vice-verse. We can have mutual relations with both of them and encourage them to resolve their difference as the people of the Geez.

The whole region is delicate and needs all the political equilibrium. There are worse enemies luring in the darkness that Habesha contain. It is like a man destroying the dam saying the water is blocked but in the process he got flooded. Some times blocked water behind the dam is better than one that floods you. Habesha are portrayed as monster people by Siad Barre and his Darod school. They are no evils and never harmed our people. We stand with them in their struggle against external and internal evils.

We do not wish destruction upon them and they too will learn to wish good deeds for us and Haud is always ours and they know it. Right now we need Haud to remain in Ethiopia so we can use it as a launching pad to bigger and better things in the blessed land of Habesha and beyond.

Emperor Menelik II did not incorporate Haud into Ethiopia to harass or marginalize us but he wanted to extend his rule and leave behind a great African indigenous legacy that was in bar with the Europeans who were seizing up Africa. He saved the Oromo from being a failed state like present day Somalia. He was a visionary man who saw beyond ethnicity and race. However that's not to say opportunists and thugs did not work under him and often abuse the system.

The threat is Oromo and that we support united Habesha against them.

Amhara are poor people because they are fair and principle people. If you leave your wallet there they will not take it and will catch the thief for you by shouting "leba" (thief). The Tigrai is nepotist like the Somali and is only giving opportunities to his cousin. That's why today all the rich are TPLF members and strictly Tigrais from Adwa.

Back in the days Isaaq was able to do business because the Mengistu Government was free and fair when it came to many things but it was killing Tigrais, their Kebessa relatives and Eritreans.

Example of Amhara Emperors and Empresses


Ras Tafari (Haile Selassie was not all Amhara, he was 25% Oromo, 25% Gurage, 50% Amhara).

[gurey25]

Emperor Menelik II did not incorporate Haud into Ethiopia to harass or marginalize us but he wanted to extend his rule and leave behind a great African indigenous legacy that was in bar with the Europeans who were seizing up Africa. He saved the Oromo from being a failed state like present day Somalia. He was a visionary man who saw beyond ethnicity and race. However that's not to say opportunists and thugs did not work under him and often abuse the system.

are you nuts!!1
saved them from failed state??

he genocided the poor bastards, reduced the population by half.. Half god dman it.!!!
He made the proud oromo warrior of the gadaas into slaves and peasants , the poor bastards have not recovered yet, and a large percentage of them still have a lingering stockholm syndrom, they love their xabashi masters and think they have become xabash too.

Menelik did do us a favour though, sad but true..
The oromo especially the arussi where undergoing a massive population explosion between 1800 and 1870.
If menelik didnt show up and exterminate them like cockroachs , population pressure would have made them expand again like how they did in the 1560's, gugura and akisho and garre and karanle would have been assimilated and become 100% oromo like the many other before them.
Maybe some ogaden and geri and gadabursi and isaaq as well.

[AbdiJohnson]

Gurey whats your estimation on the impact on the assimilation? Few hundred Somalis are now Oromo? Thousands?

I am,

Abdi "Is it exaggerated?" Johnson

[gurey25]

we may have lost entire clans...
the gurgura and akishi are now bilingual and culturally assimilated into oromo but still somali.

[AbdiJohnson]

Is the situation getting worse rather than better? The Somalis cant handle Oromo numbers right? I found this



I am,

Abdi "Are they capable of taking over the entire Somali region?" Johnson

[gurey25]

numbers count, east harar, west harar, bale and diredawa altogether have a higher population than the entire somali region.

[thegoodshepherd]

numbers count, east harar, west harar, bale and diredawa altogether have a higher population than the entire somali region.

WTF Gurey are you saying that somalis have become incorporated into the oromo confederation??
When?? tell me more.
I always thought akishe grugura were oromo who became somali

[Caesar]

numbers count, east harar, west harar, bale and diredawa altogether have a higher population than the entire somali region.

but theres plenty of somalis in harar ( my grandfather spoke adari), bale ( see below) and dire dawa ( enough said)

islam was spread to oromos thourgh bale, by somalis in bale did you know that? we are still there but speaking many languages lol
i plan to visit the western territories during my next birthright trip inshallah.

On paper its not part of the "somali region"

but on the ground the people are Somali,

[Caesar]

numbers count, east harar, west harar, bale and diredawa altogether have a higher population than the entire somali region.

WTF Gurey are you saying that somalis have become incorporated into the oromo confederation??
When?? tell me more.
I always thought akishe grugura were oromo who became somali

speaking oromo makes you an oromo = fact

therfore all bilingual somali clans are oromo.

they know their abtirsi, but speak a different language

just how somalis in the diaspora speak english,dutch, french etc it doesn't change where they come from

[gurey25]

oromo is a club anyone can join, all you need to do is speak oromo..
3/4 of the oromo population are assimiliated people anyway, pure oromo are rare.

[Hawdian]

Gurey,

Atse Menelik was not responsible for the death of the Oromo. It was their own doing and it's not what they claim. They claim he killed 5 million as if a man with spear, sword and few rifles can wipe that many in one year. They think he had WMD. Even Hitler could not have done it in a year.

The man responsible for their killings is no one other than their own Gobana Dacche. He coordinated his Shewa Oromo army with the central army of Menelik II, who later became Ethiopian Emperor, to incorporate more lands into the Ethiopian Empire in the late 19th century.

He was the who led the forces to the south. He attacked opposing Oromo groups and Menelik II was busy dealing with the Europeans including the French who seized Djibouti. Menelik II believed Djibouti was an integral part of Ethiopia and so the French signed a number of treaties with him. They could not have stayed without his approval nor would the railway go up.

Menelik was bigger than Oromo's tribal feuds and in the end he unified them under one entity. Today majority of Oromo are grateful except the few brain washed by Egypt, Arab League and Siad Barre.

[gurey25]

he had a WMD it was called the martini henry rifle and the Remington rolling block.
he had access to 80,000 of these rifles, a trained monkey can win a war against spearmen with those weapons.

[Hawdian]

None sense. In 1800s, the entire Oromo population was less than 10 million...by 1960 the entire Ethiopian population was 22 million. How can have wiped out more than half of the population in less than a year?

Gobena is the man who expanded the Ethiopian rule to the south. Menelik's focus was mainly the north and central Ethiopia in particular Shoa.

Oromo had dozens of chiefs and tribal lords all competing and chasing each others like present day Somaliland, PLand, Galmudug land, Jubbaland, Xuuxland...

He unified them all and also in the process put down Amhara chiefs as well...that's why he declared himself Neguas Nagast (King of Kings) of Ethiopia because he defeated and unified all the other Kings and Chiefs with the help of Ras Gobena, the Shoan Oromo Lord (Lord of Falle).

If today AMISOM unifies Somalis of Somalia and restore law and order, is that bad thing?

The only time Menelik II had access to 80,000 rifles was during the battle of Adwa against the Italian aggression, which involved all Ethiopians including the rival Tigrais, who wanted the restoration of their crown. Even that killed only 5,216 Italians. That war lasted for roughly one year. If every year these rifles were killing 5,000 men, can you do the maths how long it would have taken him to kill 5 million Oromo?

[X.Playa]

since when this little Isxaaq boy became an expert on all things Ethiopian. The questioner Khalid Ali a reer Samatar is more Ethiopian then an Isxaaq from Cadaadlay, or am I missing something and this kid's step daddy is an Ethiopian?