lower shabelle, conflict area explained

[sahal80]

Its funny how some clueless non southreners are jumping on lower shabelle affairs, using such names like "loweer shabelle community"

Do you even know that the conflict is limited to marko-barawe highway and not to the afgooye-walawen-burhakaba high-way?

That this conflict is limited to a few places in south of banadir in between the river shabelle and the sea!

That there is no conflict in the majority of lower shabelle wich consists 7 districts that are afgooye, walawen, qoryoleey, kuntuwarey, sablaale, baraawe and MARKA

The other 6 districts are dominated by digil and non biimaal!

How come than lower shabelle is associated with only wars and biimaal?

If there are HG new comers there are too DIR new comers like the qubays of golwen in the southren out skirts of marka

I'm not even on the side of HG, I support more biimaal but I'm againist their way of solving this problem

In the 90s this high way was a pro-HG including biimaals, the rest were pushed in the interior and beyond the river where biimaal don't exist

The biimaal were one of the gen aideed SNA basic elements just like the akhiro moog of sheekhaal, they got splitted after and the situation get worse during abdi qasim era where HG formed a new coalition with other central somalia elements

Gen dhagabadan has formed a DIR militia inside the SNA and HG were able to influence on hassan sheekh to remove him, since than, the army has splitted more but this move was expected or get worse if the general was still operating in there

Biimaal are solely concentrating on local wars at a time of liberation and their places being next to banadir it won't work to remove their yesterday allies!

Infact they live in a sea of HG from sablaale to afgooye!

HG live more than biimaal beyond the river! In between biimaal and digil and biimaal and banadir!

This situation was created by the biimaal themselves and not the govt!

All the govt can do is to let them manage their places but it won't except such a new clan wars to take place in the land that's under its control because we know if the govt was not there biimaal would have lost it too!

The govt is indeed saving their asses by deploying a multi-regional forces in there and remove the clan militias.
Southren highway, conflict area!


Look the other districts of lower shabelle
http://www.who.int/hac/crises/som/maps/ ... ch2012.gif

[whitehartlane]

Dude the war is in bloody merka. irregardless of who started, first question that you in particular need to ask yourself is. Why are Habar gidir fighting in merka? Bal wuxuu wasakhaan doonayo in u naga Dhaa dhiciyo.

Forget afgooye, walaweyn etc, why are Habar gidir in merka fighting the original inhabitants

[sahal80]

Dude the war is in bloody merka. irregardless of who started, first question that you in particular need to ask yourself is. Why are Habar gidir fighting in merka? Bal wuxuu wasakhaan doonayo in u naga Dhaa dhiciyo.

Forget afgooye, walaweyn etc, why are Habar gidir in merka fighting the original inhabitants

easy!
In 91, HG, biimaal, sheekhaal etc were all in the USC/SSNM

In 94, gen aideed has formed another organization(SNA) both biimaal and sheekhal were part of it, bc of them and garre, he was able to control not just this region but also bay and bakool!

In the last days of aideed, he waged a war againist his former allies like biimaal

There were no clan wars though, HG and biimaal still were friends

In 2000, abdi qasim has formed a galgaduud coalition againist biimaal, jilib and gaaljecel in beerxaano

Moorgan and abdullahi yusuf have started backing both sheekhal and biimaal, here it became a proxy war againist xamar

The HG have dissolved their old galgaduud coalition and become allied with the islamic courts from central somalia to kismayo

Al shabab have replaced them, this situation has empowered abit biimaals since the commanders are not HG but are not allowed to cause a clan war inside the al shabaab control, both HG and biimaal farmers exisited peacefully under al shabab

Means its the politicians who are causing this problem

Now, caqli xumada biimaal, they want to cause a clan war in the govts area while they are not doing this under al shabaab!!.

This is why we are againist them!.

It was them who created HG in there so don't ask why the govt is not helping them againist HG!.

If we let them fight, like in the last 4 hours war!! Biimaal will lose it!!

But HG will not have a peace since the biimaal are natives who know the land they will wage ko dhufoo ka dhaqaaq war againist HG.

Why you guys are interesting in this? Bc your part of the problem since moorgan and abdullahi yusuf!

This unholy coalition is destroying biimaal more!!

They have to fix this wrong choice, being a proxy war or will pay the price!.

[whitehartlane]

Sahal you have beautifully explained the 90's and early 2000kii allies for the domination of the south to dominate other southern groups.However, this is not 1993 or cabdiqasim era. You haven't answered my question which was,- are Habar gidir right or wrong in fighting in Marka.

I'll give you an example,

Isaaq in sool is right to fight in laascanood, For how long I don't know laakiin currently they have the right to fight. Simply because the fight is done by dhulbahante who are okay with somali land. So in that regards there are no injustices committed. Can we say about the same in Marka..

No because in Marka it's about looting resources and not about regional politics..irregardless of the allied forces in the 90's today Habar gidir are looting the masaakiinta and the minorities and your abgaal president is simply in line to get a cut in the pie.. You as a hawiye will not gain nothing but more disgust from other Somalis for something others commit in your name. And you support it because you have a moo rayan like mind. No reason to support it besides your local warlord supports it..

[sahal80]

Whitehartlane

No but the demoghraphics have changed in the south including xamar and kismayo in the post-90s

I have a relative who was born in kismayo and he swears that such important subclan was not in kismayo before the 90s!!

All I can say is that president hassan is anti-war lords such as dhaga badan, ahmed daaci(since he was removed the non abgaals have started going back to madina) and is in favour of more state-army

There's a plan of this doing in lower shabelle and every where instead of the militias within the SNA making conflicts.

The weak govt is not in a position of involving in clan conflicts. The west knows this and supports reconciliation instead.

Reer xamar are now running xamarwane and shingani

Biimaal don't want just to run marka but wars!.

[1moonlight]

Qofka wato whitehartlane, i will answer that question for you, HabarGidir lives in Merka, they own houses businesses and farms around Merka, so Edeb yeelo fadlan gefka iyo aflagaadada jooji.

Sahal Subax Wanaagsan sxb, Horta fikirkaada waan xushmeenayaa inkastoo aa tiri ( I am siding with Bimaal ).

Sxb waxaad dhahday HabarGidir dhulka makala taqaano, I lived in Kenya less then 2 years and i learned almost all the country and how to travel around Nairobi and outside Nairobi, so why do you think HabarGidir ineeysan dhulka Shabeelaha Hoose eeysan kala aqoon? HabarGidir Lived in Shabeelaha Hoose before 1990, Brother I have Ceyr fiends who speak af Maay, Almost 30% of HabarGidir in Shabeelaha Hoose have a Garre Digil Mother.

Digil iyo HabarGidir weey is dhaleen, Digil are 10 times stronger than Bimaal and have more weapons than Bimaal but they don't want fight HabarGidir because they control their land in Shabeelaha Hoose and they respect their HabarGidir neighbours.

Sahal sxb dadka qaar ha noqon oo u maleeyo in Ciidanka HabarGidir ee joogo Shebeelaha Hoose ee Shan beri ka hor Galgaduud ka imaadeen.

Here is Afhayeenka Hawiye talking about some of the areas HabarGidir live in Shabeelaha Hoose....
http://saadaalnews.net/?p=14419

[sahal80]

Qofka wato whitehartlane, i will answer that question for you, HabarGidir lives in Merka, they own houses businesses and farms around Merka, so Edeb yeelo fadlan gefka iyo aflagaadada jooji.

Sahal Subax Wanaagsan sxb, Horta fikirkaada waan xushmeenayaa inkastoo aa tiri ( I am siding with Bimaal ).

Sxb waxaad dhahday HabarGidir dhulka makala taqaano, I lived in Kenya less then 2 years and i learned almost all the country and how to travel around Nairobi and outside Nairobi, so why do you think HabarGidir ineeysan dhulka Shabeelaha Hoose eeysan kala aqoon? HabarGidir Lived in Shabeelaha Hoose before 1990, Brother I have Ceyr fiends who speak af Maay, Almost 30% of HabarGidir in Shabeelaha Hoose have a Garre Digil Mother.

Digil iyo HabarGidir weey is dhaleen, Digil are 10 times stronger than Bimaal and have more weapons than Bimaal but they don't want fight HabarGidir because they control their land in Shabeelaha Hoose and they respect their HabarGidir neighbours.

Sahal sxb dadka qaar ha noqon oo u maleeyo in Ciidanka HabarGidir ee joogo Shebeelaha Hoose ee Shan beri ka hor Galgaduud ka imaadeen.

Here is Afhayeenka Hawiye talking about some of the areas HabarGidir live in Shabeelaha Hoose....
http://saadaalnews.net/?p=14419

HG have arrived in the south in 5 waves, It was the kacaan who brough them in sablaale nothwest of barawe, guys like indhacada were welcomed in there in the 70s by these locals not just them but many clans now few reer waqooyi, dir and HG have stayed after the civil war

When abdiqasim was siyaad barres interior minister, These hg district commissiors in lower shhabelle were implemented by him he also brought them in baladweyne in big numbers carrying land documents, there was big HG community in baladweyne since the mid 90s

USC era, again abdi qasim, islamic courts, hizpul islam, in these eras they settled as far as barawe, qoryooleey and jilib

So of course I'm with biimaal and other locals from a moral point

What I'm againist is them spreading lies againist the govt and being proxy war, this is againist all our interests and holds us back.

[libaaxyare]

Multi SNA is not gonna happen, HG refused and will not allow.
The Bold PM guy make a mess and was supporting biyomaal and rahanwayne against HG now HG told him to fuck off.
Also the Minister of internal xawaadle guy, he loves Jabartis and hate HG its not a secrate, he was happy the war against HG and HG knew him well, and also hes been told to fuck off by HG.

Today they all sucking HG DIK

everyone know this Minister of internal and how much he loves jebertis and is pro jeberti they him and the bold PM thought HG will be wipeout from shabeelada hoose until they wake up and marka is HG town.

Biyomaal and rahanwayne clowns put alshabaab and Somaliland Flags which are all been taken out by HG and replaced with Somali flag.

HG will give Marca to the local mudulood and shiikhaals and support military and supply solders and army. this is the shabeele state.
HG is on its way Kismaayo to liberate Gaaljecel and cowramaleh shiikhaal, ajuuraan and other karanle hawiye clans.

[sahal80]

Lol shekadii odey diriye miyaa iyo maamulka shabele Kkk! sxb ma ogidmiyaa in al shabaab era lagu jiro!

Its either al shabaab or the govt who will fill the vacuum!

The melitia has been removed from saldhiga, bartamaha iyo controlka by a new mix of police and SNA forces

Next both of them will be removed from the conflict area and a multi- regional forces will be deployed soon to end the conflict for ever with this new balance of power!.

http://www.hiiraan.com/news/2014/Jun/wa ... -47032.htm

[libaaxyare]

Shafku timoole aka Sahal, Kuriyoo dream on.

[sahal80]

Shafku timoole aka Sahal, Kuriyoo dream on.

LOOOOL xagee shafkeega ko aragtey!

War dhageeso, this thread is not with or anti-HG

This thread represents the govts vision or position

I'm well informed about the situation I don't say things out of my pocket. If you got problem with the govt you can complain to her.

[libaaxyare]

Shafku timoole don't tell me, tell those who you fool around MR google. I investigate you and i know who you are, arab Mareexaar reer xamar lover who claim xawaadle on Sahal character, your IP addresses are listed all over Somali forums using different names it goes way back to 2010 different characters, one of them Yacur.

You fool no one but Jabartis arabs like you. anf if ou continue your images from your PC will be posted.

[AbdiWahab252]

Sahal why are Biyomal alsi fighting other Hawiye in S Hoose ?

[Murax]

Sahal is right. Biyomal/Dir were USC footsoldiers. If they have been turned on and defeated is not the fault of the Gov at all, thats their business.

[sahal80]

Sahal why are Biyomal alsi fighting other Hawiye in S Hoose ?

lol HG probaganda!

the war between biimaal and HG doesn't extend to other HW like it was againist the Dblock, if that was the case biimaal would have diappeared long time ago!

Biimaal are doing their best to not clash with the rest of HW, denying that its a war between DIR and HW

In around lafoole, afgooye and number 50 there there a lot of abgaal related clans like wacadaan, wadalaan, hintire, haskul hawiye etc these clans are culturely closer to biimaal than HG I'm not talking about clan-wise so no wars between them

Murursade live far from HG, in the north of afgooye in tisxiile wich is located between balidoogle and afgooye

Some murursade live between biimaal and tunni in buulomareer, south of buulo mareer is tunni and barawe

Once some HG business men have arrived in bulomareer to buy some land then al shabaab who respect the murursade a lot have arrived and they told the business men to go back "bc these people don't want you settle among them"
Here its bulo mareer. This is the coastal area full of biimaal, cad cad sheekhaals who support them.


My subclan has no problem with biimaal simply bc we are the other side of the river, HG live in that side too.