Party politics need to be introduced in Somalia

[metamorphosis]

Instead of clan allegiances it's better to follow a party that shares many of your ideas. Here in the USA people are divided along party lines. You will find people of all colors in the same party. The good thing about this is that people dont usually fight over ideology as much as over concrete things like land. Since all clans would probably have some representation in every party, no clan would feel threatened or powerless. I know this virtually unfeasible but wouldnt it be better than the current form of governance? And if a party messed up it would be a party only and not a clan.

[Khalid Ali]

Not possible in Somalia u get clan parties and clan allegiances and soon those parties will have military wings and will become clan liberation movements and hell will break lose. In the 1960s there were over 70 different clan parties.

[STARKAST]

Ever heard of the Marehan party, Young Banadiir party,D & M party ? Clan identity is here to stay for the time being, its better to lock horns with it first then finally once and for all transition onto the 21st century.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Somalia needs a monarchy. Party politics does not work. Just look at SL. Little to no progress, every clan has his own party and when they don't win they threaten violence. Somalia has tried democracy and it does not work for us, or at least we haven't evolved to a stage where it would work. Democracy is for countries with large, educated middle-class populations and strong institutions.

[metamorphosis]

Not possible in Somalia u get clan parties and clan allegiances and soon those parties will have military wings and will become clan liberation movements and hell will break lose. In the 1960s there were over 70 different clan parties.

Horta is sland like that? I know there are parties there. Do those parties have clan roots or is it common to see different tribes supporting the same party and contesting for it?

[metamorphosis]

Ever heard of the Marehan party, Young Banadiir party,D & M party ? Clan identity is here to stay for the time being, its better to lock horns with it first then finally once and for all transition onto the 21st century.

What makes clan politics so preferable when the alternative is much better?

[SecretAgent]

MJs should rule somalia mjs live in 7 gobals banadir,sanag,lower jubba,mudug,nugaal,bari,middle jubba not majority but minority in most gobals

[metamorphosis]

Somalia needs a monarchy. Party politics does not work. Just look at SL. Little to no progress, every clan has his own party and when they don't win they threaten violence. Somalia has tried democracy and it does not work for us, or at least we haven't evolved to a stage where it would work. Democracy is for countries with large, educated middle-class populations and strong institutions.

A monarch is bound to fail. The person who will be in charge will have to come from a tribe right? What makes you think the rest will just agree to his rule? We can never differentiate the individual and his qabil.

[Khalid Ali]

Liquid Somaliland political culture is different than that of Somalia , Somalia is an admixture of Nomadic and reer Magaal communities reer banadir reer Magaal reer nomadic reer mudug galguduud. Tribalism has ruined Somalia its like toxic , in Somaliland u have words like Turxaan bixin these concepts are alien in the south gar naqsi and so on. And in Somaliland in the 1950s there were 3 political parties SNL NUF and USP , Today u have 3 parties Kulmiye wadani ucid. Liquid u missunderstood meta wants a change of 4.5 to clan parties , he does not want democracy for the good of the prosperity of the nation he wants minimize clan loyalties.

[STARKAST]

SL has its clan parties too, the ruling party today is an 'extension' of *HJ rule. Mr prestige will elaborate, his clan has been living in political wilderness for years, hence his rebel nature.
With that said at least its at peace regardless of institutionalized tribalism, which maybe why its at peace, weird ain't it.
Clan politics isn't preferable its just what we have today. Its the very thread of the Somali social fabric. We need to remove it from society first through education and then we can move onto a more 'civilised' governance system.
Clan identity isn't bad, the problem is when thats all the people live for and identity with.Democracy may not work in Somali lands....its a flawed system.



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[flyWOODY]

Democracy can only work in hawiye areas especially xamar. Hawiye will vote based on your policies. Farmajo would win landslide in xamar election for mayor. Not qabiil minded ppl. You cant bring democracy to qardho or jamame or abudwaq. they will vote for their clan. Look at aswj. Cayr voted for darod to be leader. Would darod vote for cayr? I dont think so. Very qabiileste everyone else like the eelays the eelays especially. hawiye big city people they dont think reer hebel this is why xamar is the capital this is why hawiye are most advanced in somalia their economies advanced too because they have different way of thinking

So yes party politics in hawiye areas like xamar it will be most democratic in all of africa even I never see kukuyu and the meru exhanging leaders and voting for other qabiil only u see that in all of africa in xamar

[thegoodshepherd]

It will never work. If parties are established they will turn into tools fro the clans to use. Even if we placed a limit on the number of parties, the two biggest clans would dominate a party each. It might even make the country less stable by bringing up to the surface simmering clan animosities. I hate 4.5, not because it is demeaning to some minorities, but because it was designed to limit the power of my people. Nevertheless, 4.5 is a system that is now in place, let us work on how to make it better.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

The only difference between SL and Southern Somalia is that in SL the word of the Elders/Guurti is almost law. The Guurti are peacemakers and reconcilers. In the South they neither respect their elders, nor do the elders care about reconciliation and peace. If you don't respect authority there's only chaos. It doesn't matter what you do. If you have 4.5, qabiil parties or a dictator - if you don't obey authority nothing will change.

[metamorphosis]

Democracy can only work in hawiye areas especially xamar. Hawiye will vote based on your policies. Farmajo would win landslide in xamar election for mayor. Not qabiil minded ppl. You cant bring democracy to qardho or jamame or abudwaq. they will vote for their clan. Look at aswj. Cayr voted for darod to be leader. Would darod vote for cayr? I dont think so. Very qabiileste everyone else like the eelays the eelays especially. hawiye big city people they dont think reer hebel this is why xamar is the capital this is why hawiye are most advanced in somalia their economies advanced too because they have different way of thinking

So yes party politics in hawiye areas like xamar it will be most democratic in all of africa even I never see kukuyu and the meru exhanging leaders and voting for other qabiil only u see that in all of africa in xamar

I am talking about Somalia not hawiye.

[Khalid Ali]

Actually 4.5 is the best system so far its a kinda like parties but people are more honest with it and the MPS come from clans directly , the parties will only try over shadow clanism but it cant really get rid of the clanish alligiance