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Legal arguments against Somaliland?

Post by Xildiiid »

There are none..

However there are legal arguments for Somaliland. Every time you people from Somalia feel like claiming Somaliland as a region within your country similar to the tribal enclaves that exists (as you often do in this forum). Read these solid arguments made by brother Salah al-Din and disprove them if you can.. If you can't and you still oppose SL, ask yourself why you oppose it and you'll realize it's because of weak emotions and not logic.
Salah Al-Din wrote:
Somaliland has legal argument because Somaliland as an independent State joined Somalia to form the Somali Republic. Unfortunately, this union was never ratified in parliament. The events that took place in 1960 are as follows:

1. Somaliland becomes Independent on June 26 1960. On June 27 Somaliland Parliament passes a law called Act of Union with Somalia to form the Somali Republic. This document was never signed or passed by the Parliament of Somalia.
2. On July 1, the Parlaiment of Somalia passed an act of union called Atto di Unione which was significantly different from the Act of Union that the Somaliland Parliament passed. This Atto di Unione was never passed in the Parliament of Somaliland.
3. The Union went ahead but legally it was not null and void since no single Act of Union was signed by both countries. This caused the President to use a presidential decree to make an act of union between Somaliland and Somalia on January 31 1961 a full 6 months later to be in effect retroactively for July 1 1960. This document too was never ratified in Somali Republic's parliament. Presidential decrees need to have parliament pass them otherwise they become null and void.
4. The government of the Somalia Republic, which was run by politicians from Somalia, decided to try to ratify the union through a constitution in the end of 1961. The constitution was boycotted in Somaliland and only 100,000 people who voted and those who voted they overwhelmingly rejected it. Yet in Somalia it was said 1.7 million people voted when in the past elections only 600 thousand were eligible to vote. The tiny village called wanloweyn returned 99,000 yes votes which was almost equal to all the votes in Somaliland.
5. This caused Somaliland officers in the army to try a coup de tat in the end of 1961. This coup was not successful; however, when they were put on trail they were let go by the courts simply because these military officers did not swear to defend the Somali Republic, but they swore to defend Somaliland. Therefore there could be no treason against the Somali Republic.

Considering the fact that two states, Somaliland and Somalia joined together to form the Somali Republic. Then logic would dictate that a) Somaliland cannot be equal to mere federated provinces of Somalia like Puntland or Ximan & Xeeb. b) since no single act of union was signed, there is no legal requirement compelling Somaliland to remain part of Somalia c) since the Somali Republic ceased to exist in 1991 there is no reality on the ground to keep them united since Somaliland controls its territory.

The only thing keeping Somaliland and Somalia together is the politics of the international community remaining neutral to the recognition of Somaliland. Even the sole super power in the world the USA has said, they have no qualms of Somaliland getting de jure recognition; they just want another African state to go first. They wouldn't say that, they could have said no Somaliland has to remain part of Somalia. Surely the USA is not scared of Somaliland. As such the issue is not a matter of legality, but a matter of politics. In this regard, Somaliland is well prepared to go the distance and continue to pursue their quest for de jure recognition.
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Sxb let me blatant with you and say, legal or illegal you will always be part of Somalia , unless you march to Mogadishu and hold us by the point blank view of a gun and demand us to release you, then maybe we will!

Until then please be quiete or Man the F up!
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Re: Legal arguments against Somaliland?

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Somalia doesn't control an inch of our territory, we control all of it. You can only release something when it's in your possession.

Somaliland was never part of Somalia and never will.

Walaweyns can rely on the reluctance of corrupt African states to recognize Somaliland, after all they're your masters, but you have no legal arguments against SL nor do Somalia have any influence in SL.

Your opposition is based on emotions.
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dont waste your time, logic fails here, this is an emotional issue
you cannot argue your way , in situations like this you need to ensure that you have more guns and bullets than they do, and when they step out of line eliminate them..

stop wasting your time.
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You cant reason with walanweyns deep inside they know they have no case laakin wa dad iska indho adag , wa dad ilaahay indho adkaan u abuuray i dont usually engage any more with them or try to convince them , walanweyns will just be walanweyns dad ilaahay sida ka dhigay..
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xildiid is naive, the wanlawein creature is dumb, deaf and blind.
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I'm not naive, I'm just tired of them using Somaliland as an example in their petty arguments about federalism and Somalia.
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Xildiiid wrote:Somalia doesn't control an inch of our territory, we control all of it. .
No you dont controll all terrotries of former british.somaliland- you dont even controll all of Togdheer region.. second biggest city in gobolka togdheer you dont controll it.



you dont have controll XUDUN. BADHAN. and many towns in northern Somalia... even there were clashes between KHAATUMO and somaliland in Xudun not long ago..

so my friend faanka beenta ah jooji.
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We control all of Somaliland. Using the little shantytown on the Somaliland-Ethio border is not going to change anything and the second largest city in Togdheer is indeed controlled by Somaliland.

Xudun is controlled by Somaliland and so is Badhan.


Go and secure your Somalia. Somaliland doesn't concern you.
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Xildiiid wrote:We control all of Somaliland. Using the little shantytown on the Somaliland-Ethio border is not going to change anything and the second largest city in Togdheer is indeed controlled by Somaliland.

Xudun is controlled by Somaliland and so is Badhan.


Go and secure your Somalia. Somaliland doesn't concern you.
ignore the wanlawein donkey, they make no sense. dumb deaf and blind
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Re: Legal arguments against Somaliland?

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Xildiiid wrote:There are none..

Salah Al-Din wrote:
Somaliland has legal argument because Somaliland as an independent State joined Somalia to form the Somali Republic. Unfortunately, this union was never ratified in parliament. The events that took place in 1960 are as follows:

1. Somaliland becomes Independent on June 26 1960. On June 27 Somaliland Parliament passes a law called Act of Union with Somalia to form the Somali Republic. This document was never signed or passed by the Parliament of Somalia.
2. On July 1, the Parlaiment of Somalia passed an act of union called Atto di Unione which was significantly different from the Act of Union that the Somaliland Parliament passed. This Atto di Unione was never passed in the Parliament of Somaliland.
3. The Union went ahead but legally it was not null and void since no single Act of Union was signed by both countries. This caused the President to use a presidential decree to make an act of union between Somaliland and Somalia on January 31 1961 a full 6 months later to be in effect retroactively for July 1 1960. This document too was never ratified in Somali Republic's parliament. Presidential decrees need to have parliament pass them otherwise they become null and void.
4. The government of the Somalia Republic, which was run by politicians from Somalia, decided to try to ratify the union through a constitution in the end of 1961. The constitution was boycotted in Somaliland and only 100,000 people who voted and those who voted they overwhelmingly rejected it. Yet in Somalia it was said 1.7 million people voted when in the past elections only 600 thousand were eligible to vote. The tiny village called wanloweyn returned 99,000 yes votes which was almost equal to all the votes in Somaliland.
5. This caused Somaliland officers in the army to try a coup de tat in the end of 1961. This coup was not successful; however, when they were put on trail they were let go by the courts simply because these military officers did not swear to defend the Somali Republic, but they swore to defend Somaliland. Therefore there could be no treason against the Somali Republic.

Considering the fact that two states, Somaliland and Somalia joined together to form the Somali Republic. Then logic would dictate that a) Somaliland cannot be equal to mere federated provinces of Somalia like Puntland or Ximan & Xeeb. b) since no single act of union was signed, there is no legal requirement compelling Somaliland to remain part of Somalia c) since the Somali Republic ceased to exist in 1991 there is no reality on the ground to keep them united since Somaliland controls its territory.

The only thing keeping Somaliland and Somalia together is the politics of the international community remaining neutral to the recognition of Somaliland. Even the sole super power in the world the USA has said, they have no qualms of Somaliland getting de jure recognition; they just want another African state to go first. They wouldn't say that, they could have said no Somaliland has to remain part of Somalia. Surely the USA is not scared of Somaliland. As such the issue is not a matter of legality, but a matter of politics. In this regard, Somaliland is well prepared to go the distance and continue to pursue their quest for de jure recognition.

unfortunatly its just lies and fabrications what this man wrote here.. first l 26 june 1960 the newly born republic was called (Somali republic) and newly born republic had the blue flag which was from south somaliya.. 26 june the newly born republic was not called (somaliland) and the union between former british-somaliland and former italian-somaliland was ratified in general elections unity consituation 20 june 1961 . Somali people including those in north ratified newly written somali republic contituation. one of article of the consituation was(unity and territorial integrity of Somali republic and its 8 regions can not be divided) and result of that elections gave legal argument and legal rights that Somali republic can not be divided....

if you qaldaamiins dont believe the general elections in 1961 june just read what this waqooyilanders wuxuu qoray . sababta uu qoraalkana keenay waa raiisal wasaarihii waqtigaa ee goob jooga ka ahaa DASTUURKA union when was ratified mr late aun abdirasaaq xaaji xuseen. wareysigii uu bbc SIIYEY kuna beeneeyey. been abuurka waqooyilanderska iyo fabricationka ay ku sameeyaan taariikhda... sida aan maqlay dastuurka unionka somali republic waxaa ku qornaa xitaa Gobol goi kara ma jirto. haddii 8 da gobol midka ah doonayo goosasho waa in dhamaan 8 da gobolka( all somali republic doorasho xur ah laga qaadaa) haddii ay isku racaan 2/3. micanaha waa 3 qaybood marka dadka loo qaybiyo 2 qaybood oo ka mid ay isku racaan markaa ayaa loo ogolaan karaa in gobolkaa uu goosto... dastuurka kuma qorna former-somaliland. waxaa ku qoran dastuurka 8 da gobolka ee somali republic... marka pls you guys stop fabrication things.....

http://www.somaliland.org/blog/2012/06/ ... i-xusseen/
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Re: Legal arguments against Somaliland?

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waraabe251 wrote:
Xildiiid wrote:We control all of Somaliland. Using the little shantytown on the Somaliland-Ethio border is not going to change anything and the second largest city in Togdheer is indeed controlled by Somaliland.

Xudun is controlled by Somaliland and so is Badhan.


Go and secure your Somalia. Somaliland doesn't concern you.
ignore the wanlawein donkey, they make no sense. dumb deaf and blind

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Re: Legal arguments against Somaliland?

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yalaxaw waxba hays xiijin dhulka anagaa xukuna xukumina doona ikaa qiyaamaha. xamar yeysan weligeed na ictiraafi haday rabto, ma garanayo waxay idiin tarayso inaad weligiin afka ka sheegataan somaliland, laakiin in reality cid laascaanood ilaa borama naga qaadi kartaa ma jirto.
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Re: Legal arguments against Somaliland?

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You haven't addressed nor disproved any of the statements made by Salah al-Din but then again I didn't expect that you would.



You're even disproving yourself. How could the constitution be ratified when the bilateral contract between the two countries wasn't even signed?

Since the union was illegal, the constitution (which most Somalilanders opposed) became illegal as well.
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theyuusuf143 wrote:yalaxaw waxba hays xiijin dhulka anagaa xukuna xukumina doona ikaa qiyaamaha. xamar yeysan weligeed na ictiraafi haday rabto, ma garanayo waxay idiin tarayso inaad weligiin afka ka sheegataan somaliland, laakiin in reality cid laascaanood ilaa borama naga qaadi kartaa ma jirto.
my friend qabiil waliba Somaliya dhulkiisa isagaa xukuma.. hargeysa and burco qabiilkaaga xukuma of course .. xitaa goosta,,
Buhoodle waxaa xukuma dadka meeshaa degga... sidoo kale magaalooyin baddan waqooyiga ah... boosaaso waxaa xukuma dadka meeshaas degga. cadaado waxaa xukuma dadka meeshaas degga.. baladweyne waxaa xukuma dadka meeshaas degga.. every where in somaliya.. marka you no different dhamaan all skinny niggers in dhulka soomaalida... marka ma kuula tahay international community inaysan ogeyn.. in Buuhoodle looga dabaaldego 18 may maalinta qashin aruurinta. waxba been ha isku sheegina ...
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