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ISIS Wealthier Than SL and PL Combined

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 10:50 am
by LiquidHYDROGEN
How an arrest in Iraq revealed Isis's $2bn jihadist network

Seizure of 160 computer flash sticks revealed the inside story of Isis, the band of militants that came from nowhere with nothing to having Syrian oil fields and control of Iraq's second city

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Members of the Kurdish armed fighting force look out over Jalula in northern Iraq, where they have been fighting Isis. Photograph: Rick Findler

Two days before Mosul fell to the Islamic insurgent group Isis (the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant), Iraqi commanders stood eyeballing its most trusted messenger. The man, known within the extremist group as Abu Hajjar, had finally cracked after a fortnight of interrogation and given up the head of Isis's military council.

"He said to us, 'you don't realise what you have done'," an intelligence official recalled. "Then he said: 'Mosul will be an inferno this week'.'

Several hours later, the man he had served as a courier and been attempting to protect, Abdulrahman al-Bilawi, lay dead in his hideout near Mosul. From the home of the dead man and the captive, Iraqi forces hoovered up more than 160 computer flash sticks which contained the most detailed information yet known about the terror group.

The treasure trove included names and noms de guerre of all foreign fighters, senior leaders and their code words, initials of sources inside ministries and full accounts of the group's finances.

"We were all amazed and so were the Americans," a senior intelligence official told the Guardian. "None of us had known most of this information."

Officials, including CIA officers, were still decrypting and analysing the flash sticks when Abu Hajjar's prophecy was realised. Isis swept through much of northern and central Iraq over three stunning days, seizing control of Mosul and Tikrit and threatening Kirkuk as three divisions of the Iraqi army shed their uniforms and fled.

The capitulation of the military and the rapid advances of the insurgents have dramatically changed the balance of power in Iraq, crippled prime minister Nouri al-Maliki, allowed Kurdish forces to seize control of the disputed city of Kirkuk and galvanised a Shia fightback along sectarian lines, posing a serious threat to the region's fragile geopolitics. On Sunday Isis published photographs that appeared to show it capturing and killing dozens of Iraqi soldiers.

"By the end of the week, we soon realised that we had to do some accounting for them," said the official flippantly. "Before Mosul, their total cash and assets were $875m [£515m]. Afterwards, with the money they robbed from banks and the value of the military supplies they looted, they could add another $1.5bn to that."

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Isis fighters, pictured on a militant website verified by AP. Photograph: AP

Laid bare were a series of staggering numbers that would be the pride of any major enterprise, let alone an organisation that was a startup three years ago.

The group's leaders had been meticulously chosen. Many of those who reported to the top tier – all battle-hardened veterans of the insurgency against US forces nearly a decade ago – did not know the names of their colleagues. The strategic acumen of Isis was impressive – so too its attention to detail. "They had itemised everything," the source said. "Down to the smallest detail."

Over the past year, foreign intelligence officials had learned that Isis secured massive cashflows from the oilfields of eastern Syria, which it had commandeered in late 2012, and some of which it had sold back to the Syrian regime. It was also known to have reaped windfalls from smuggling all manner of raw materials pillaged from the crumbling state, as well as priceless antiquities from archaeological digs.

But here before them in extraordinary detail were accounts that would have breezed past forensic accountants, giving a full reckoning of a war effort. It soon became clear that in less than three years, Isis had grown from a ragtag band of extremists to perhaps the most cash-rich and capable terror group in the world.

"They had taken $36m from al-Nabuk alone [an area in the Qalamoun mountains west of Damascus]. The antiquities there are up to 8,000 years old," the intelligence official said. "Before this, the western officials had been asking us where they had gotten some of their money from, $50,000 here, or $20,000 there. It was peanuts. Now they know and we know. They had done this all themselves. There was no state actor at all behind them, which we had long known. They don't need one."

The scale of Isis's resources seems to have prepared it for the improbable. But even by its ruthless standards, occupying two major cities in Iraq in three days, holding on to parts of Falluja and Ramadi, and menacing Kirkuk and Samara, was quite an accomplishment.

Social media postings throughout last week revealed the group's shock at its successes. Some posting showed extremists weeping with joy as dozens of Iraqi army humvess were driven through a sand berm on the border into Syria.

Foreign jihadists, many from Europe, were among those who stormed into Mosul and have spread through central Iraq ever since. Most of their names were already known to the intelligence agencies which had tried to track their movements after they arrived in Turkey, then disappeared, initially across the Syrian border. But noms de guerre given to the new arrivals had left their trails cold. Now officials had details of next of kin, and often phone numbers and emails.

Whether the intelligence haul can do much to reel in Isis after the fact seems a moot point, with the group having already wrought so much carnage in such a short time. "We will eventually find them," said the Iraqi official. "We knew they had infiltrated the ministries and the most frustrating thing about that flash [stick] was it only had initials. We are focusing on the initials that had the annotation 'valuable' next to them."

Other names were clearly of lesser use, he said. They were marked with "lazy", "undecided" or "needs monitoring".

More than ever before is now known about how Isis has gathered steam. The past week has also been an advanced education in its capabilities and ambitions. "Now we have to catch up with them," the official said.

Source: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... alth-power

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Re: ISIS Wealthier Than SL and PL Combined

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 10:54 am
by waraabe251
you mean SL and somalia

wallahi i hate self haters more then i hate faqash

Re: ISIS Wealthier Than SL and PL Combined

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 10:59 am
by AbdiJohnson
The operating budget of the smallest school board in my city is double that of both SL and PL and you are talking about ISIS that controls oil fields

I am,

Abdi "And half of it is pocketed" Johnson

Re: ISIS Wealthier Than SL and PL Combined

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 11:02 am
by LiquidHYDROGEN
Somalia's total GDP is allegedly 5 billion dollars. So no, I mean SL and PL.

Hate what you like, I'm just shining a light on the pathetic situation of somalis. I especially love the ones who cry for palestine when the average palestinian is almost ten times wealthier than the average somali in Somalia.

Re: ISIS Wealthier Than SL and PL Combined

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 11:06 am
by SultanOrder
Isis controls most of Syria's and Iraq's oil fields, they are immensely wealthy and well organized.

AJ, these guys are very principled and have almost zero corruption, they're men get paid well and regularly, they provide social services to the poor, utility services, and good at governance. They also promote based on merit and not nepotism. These guys wouldn't achieve this level of success if they were corrupt.

Re: ISIS Wealthier Than SL and PL Combined

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 11:12 am
by LiquidHYDROGEN
They are not "Immensely wealthy". 2 billion USD is pocket change in the grand scheme of things. The oil wealth is obviously not sold internationally and so doesn't amount to a huge figure. They only sell it back to neighbouring govs.

You have hit on a good point though. A few thousand ragtag miltia is more disciplined, better organised, selfless and more intelligent than millions of Somalis.

Re: ISIS Wealthier Than SL and PL Combined

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 11:27 am
by SultanOrder
By insurgent standards they are. If Alshabab had half that wealth they would of conquered all of Somalia. Lol

Re: ISIS Wealthier Than SL and PL Combined

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 11:47 am
by Hodan94
Come on though they have taken charge of the oil fields in iraq obviously they're going to have some wealth.

Re: ISIS Wealthier Than SL and PL Combined

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:06 pm
by LiquidHYDROGEN
^^^^^That's exactly the mentality that causes this situation. Always look for excuses, never own up, never come with valid solutions. My point wasn't even the money but how in short amount of time a few thousand ragtag people (half of whom don't even speak the same language) can gain that much wealth. Compare that to so called nations like Somalia, Somaliland and Djibouti.

Btw I'm not addressing you directly Hodan but what you wrote.

Re: ISIS Wealthier Than SL and PL Combined

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:21 pm
by Hodan94
Ask israel...there were reports that they fund them but allahu alam?
really though over there its about power grabbing...isis as well as the syrian iraqi shia govt recieve just as much cash from their supporters. They couldnt have raised millions even if it weren't for the gaalos behind the scenes.
There is a cold war going on over there.

Re: ISIS Wealthier Than SL and PL Combined

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:27 pm
by gurey25
No isrealis involved even the saudis supported them 2 years ago, they have not recieved any major support from the big players,
maybe private donations,..

they got all that by grabbing it.

give credit when its due.

Re: ISIS Wealthier Than SL and PL Combined

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:30 pm
by LiquidHYDROGEN
Hodan why would Israel support an Islamic Caliphate? Lol the first place these guys will go for is Jerusalem and the haram of Makkah and Madinah.

It's about cohesion, ambition and determination,Traits missing from Somalis. If alshabab were intelligent they wold plant opium poppies all over the South they control. Within a few years they wouldhave the money for weapons to take all of Southern and central Somalia. Not to mention the potential Oil and Uranium.

Re: ISIS Wealthier Than SL and PL Combined

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:36 pm
by gurey25
LiquidHYDROGEN wrote:Hodan why would Israel support an Islamic Caliphate? Lol the first place these guys will go for is Jerusalem and the haram of Makkah and Madinah.

It's about cohesion, ambition and determination,Traits missing from Somalis. If alshabab were intelligent they wold plant opium poppies all over the South they control. Within a few years they wouldhave the money for weapons to take all of Southern and central Somalia. Not to mention the potential Oil and Uranium.
not poppies they dont grow well in somalia, maybe borame and hargiesa and ceerigabo would be a good climate for them.

they can grow coca leaves, the jubbas are perfect for them, and so many places to hide refineries making cocaine.

or why not weed, the US had problems with the taliban hiding it in the weed fields, the cannabis plant grows 7-8ft in thick bushes and it absorbes Infra red, so night vision and IR cannot track taliban..
they ended up resorting to burning those fields and soldiers geting high when the wind blew it their way.

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/79081?c ... prefs=true

Re: ISIS Wealthier Than SL and PL Combined

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:43 pm
by thegoodshepherd
The reason that alshabab can survive in the south is because they can tax the farmers that live there. Come north and there are no farmers to tax, thus they cannot operate north of the Shebelle basin around middle shebelle and hiraan. They are also further helped by the forests in the south providing cover and haven, come north and you lose that.

Re: ISIS Wealthier Than SL and PL Combined

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:49 pm
by DR-YALAXOOW
both regional goverments of Somaliland and puntiland are heavily dependent aid from UNDP and Other NGOs.
laakiin the question is how much is the annual income of puntiland and somaliland.. both regions have Sea pors and other canshuur income.. canshuuraha ay ka qaataan import sanadkii imisa ayey gaarayaan.. couple of years Ago waxaa leeys barbardhigay Berbera port and boosaaso port yearly revenue and la yaab waxaa aheeyd Boosaaso port yearly come was much higher than berbera port..