Jesus (PBUH) and his rejection of divinity

[nasradiin32]

so call somali christians may i have you attention please
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There is not a single clear unequivocal statement in the complete bible where Jesus himself says that I am God or worship me)

Mathew A-V {19:16} And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? {19:17} And he (Jesus) said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is,] God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Mathew A-V {23:9} And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. {23:10} Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, [even] Christ.
Peter testifies that Jesus is a man; Acts A-V {2:22} Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Mathew A-V {7:21} Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

John A-V {17:3} Jesus said: And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Mark A-V {12:29} And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is,] Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

John A-V {5:37} And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Jesus (PBUH) response to the Christians in his second coming

Matthew A-V {7:22} Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? {7:23} And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity

DO YOU KNWO WHY JESUS PBUH WILL GET ANGERY AND WILL TELL THEM(CHRISTIANS) I NEVER KNEW YOU" DEPART FROM ME :GET OUT FROM ME"BECAUSE YOU CALL HIM LORD AND HE IS NOT"HE IS PERSON" HUMAN BEING"
ALLAH SWT SAYS IN HOLLY QURAN TO SHOW THE PEOPLE HOW HE CREATE THE JESUS"
Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was.
AL IMRAN-59

[usb]

no christians here

[waraabe251]

speak somali

[nasradiin32]

MR OR MSS USB PLEASE READ Verses respond to atheists and say something
this is not for you it is for so call somali christians" u are big bang"

mr waraabe waad mahadsan tahay hadba luqadii aan is leeyahay faa,iido badan ayaa ku jirta ayaa isticmaali inshaalaah

[Caesar]

most somali christians are colonial converts that were raised in orphanages. Poor kids.

lukum dinakum wa liya deen

[usb]

lol okay

[BeyondQabil]

One problem that I'll always point out (at the risk of offending many,) is the fact that Many people on this forum do not have original thought. Their over-reliance on "Scholars" and internet forums is baffling. Whether the discussions center around Islam or Christianity.

http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showthread.php?t=1020

I'm pretty sure the OP has never read the bible because if he had, he would never use Peter or Jesus himself to disapprove his divinity.

[usb]

^ so much truth in one post

[nasradiin32]

beyond qabiil "
you are completely wrong "a group of people or whole christian nation who claim that they beleive a bible as a holly book"and divinity "you can,t use quran or any other muslim books to tell them that what they are doing is wrong"you have to use their own books" and that is best thing
no one offending any body here "
When i use in an article written by someone else this means not that i never read the bible "
finally if are willing to help these gruop of people tell them please to allow us to write and participate their websites

[usb]

beyond qabiil "
you are completely wrong "a group of people or whole christian nation who claim that they beleive a bible as a holly book"and divinity "you can,t use quran or any other muslim books to tell them that what they are doing is wrong"you have to use their own books" and that is best thing
no one offending any body here "
When i use in an article written by someone else this means not that i never read the bible "
finally if are willing to help these gruop of people tell them please to allow us to write and participate their websites

nasradiin what if islam is wrong and christianity is right?

[nasradiin32]

usb" since u are cawaan or atheist you don,t have right to talk about islam or christianty but i need them (christians )to proove that islam is wrong "
i am here to proove that islam is only perfect religion in this world and no one can critisizze islam "
The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, andnever called himself God”s son. or god as christians beleive that is why we muslims are defending him

[usb]

usb"

since u are cawaan or atheist you don,t have right to talk about islam or christianty

but i need them (christians )to proove that islam is wrong "
i am here to proove that islam is only perfect religion in this world and no one can critisizze islam "

okay

[BeyondQabil]

beyond qabiil "
you are completely wrong "a group of people or whole christian nation who claim that they beleive a bible as a holly book"and divinity "you can,t use quran or any other muslim books to tell them that what they are doing is wrong"you have to use their own books" and that is best thing
no one offending any body here "
When i use in an article written by someone else this means not that i never read the bible "
finally if are willing to help these gruop of people tell them please to allow us to write and participate their websites

The reason why i am saying that is simply because the very Peter you are Quoting, as saying that Jesus is the Son of Man, is the very same person that calls Jesus, Our Lord and Savior.

2nd Peter 1:5-8

And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2nd Peter 1:10-11

Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Take your time to read this passage and tell me what you think:

22 Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. 23 And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon’s porch. 24 Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, “How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”

25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. 26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?”

33 The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods”’?[c] 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), 36 do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? 37 If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; 38 but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe[d] that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.” 39 Therefore they sought again to seize Him, but He escaped out of their hand.

[BeyondQabil]

Another passage, though a long one, is found in the 8th Chapter of John

Jesus went unto the mount of Olives. And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true. Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.

Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.

Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.

And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.

They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.

Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

As he spake these words, many believed on him.

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?

Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.

And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Do you know why they took up stones to throw at him immediately he said, "Before Abraham was, I AM?" Remember that they didn't try to stone him when he said "you are of your father the devil."

[nasradiin32]

beyond qabiil"
as you see or mention there is big contradiction inthe bible that is why we muslims say" the Bible is human"
paul says some thing and he is real founder of christianity " and peter says something: i am asking what jesus says were is gospel of jesus instead of mark,mathew .john"
"aslo please note that 82% of the "words of Jesus" found in the Bible were apparently never spoken by him"means are not his" that is why u can see alot of contradiction in bible"

one time jesus is god .another time he is son of god "then jesus is human son of mariam "maseih of nazerate" i am asking do we have one jesus or three dffrent jesus?
alhamdulilaih u mention these verses "john 8:4-11" these verses srongly disapprove jesus divinity becuase when they come to him they said "law of moses pbuh commanded us,means there was a guidence from god before jesus then the jesus reply was stone her that is penalty of adultry in all three dive religions(islam.christianty.judiasim)
if you look at"john 12-49" u will know that jesus was not divne
I don't speak on my own authority. The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it"
your above mentioned statement and whta is in the bible made jesus double face person "saying something one time "and another time something else" and first bible was written 80-or 100 years after jesus christ pbuh " people lying on jesus"with any proove" paul is a person who invented the christianity not jesus
thatt is why islam try and guide people a better understanding of jesus and also defending him because he is one of greatest god,s messengers to mankind