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So far these is what I know:
-They claim to be Arabs but DNA has refuted that
-They claim an 86 year old Arab as their father
-Gypsies of the Somali people
-Burcad Bacayr, a Yibir?, was their true father
-Burcad Bacayr known to have deflowered a bunch of pink roses

Here are the so called Arabs






I see now the uncanny resemblance to this guy...yes, I know who he is


And this one

Facts;

1. Your clan became Muslim in early 1900's.
2. Up until early 1900's they were blood drinking pagan offering parts of their genitals to their women when they wanted to get married. They also is sharpened their teeth in order to feast on raw meat. A tradition shared with Oromo and Afar.
3. Your clan doesn't have a legit lineage, it is a confederation made up by 6 clans known as 3 Ciise and 3 soo raac.
4. Your clan was not even Somali but an Oromo/Afar hybrid. You can read the accounts of British explorers such as Col. Swayne and Richard Burton to realize the kind of savages your clansmen were.


Now.. Let me debunk your nonsense.

1. Bucur Bacayr was dead and long gone when the first Isaaq sub clans left Sanaag and migrated west.
2. Bucur Bacayr deflowered the people who were living in western SL at that time and the only non Gabooye were the blick Ciise Waraabe and the Gudo+Biiris.
3. What proof do you have that sheikh Isxaaq was 85 when he fathered his children. Show me some reference.
4. Unless you've genetically tested more than half of Isaaq and put forth the variety in haplogroups and sub clades you have no case.

Xildiiid wrote:Facts;
4. Unless you've genetically tested more than half of Isaaq and put forth the variety in haplogroups and sub clades you have no case.

In order to claim that you descend from an Arab father, you must have J1 or J2 haplogroup Y-DNA.
All over Somalia, only about 3% of all men have J haplogroup Y-DNA, mostly concentrated in the north.
Cisse and Gudubirsi are extremely interesting in that over 80% of all Cisse and Gudubirsi have Haplogroup T- Y DNA.
Cisse and Gudubirsi are the only somali clans that can truly claim to be decended from Arabs or Eurasians.

oh please such nonsense, why don't u folks discover your ancestry first, there is many things that do not fit in with time on yours instead of constantly starting threads and insulting my founding father.

unless you provide full and I mean full evidence of every single detail about your forefathers will u able to discuss others, but until then goodbye.

thegoodshepherd wrote:

Xildiiid wrote:Facts;
4. Unless you've genetically tested more than half of Isaaq and put forth the variety in haplogroups and sub clades you have no case.

In order to claim that you descend from an Arab father, you must have J1 or J2 haplogroup Y-DNA.
All over Somalia, only about 3% of all men have J haplogroup Y-DNA, mostly concentrated in the north.
Cisse and Gudubirsi are extremely interesting in that over 80% of all Cisse and Gudubirsi have Haplogroup T- Y DNA.
Cisse and Gudubirsi are the only somali clans that can truly claim to be decended from Arabs or Eurasians.

There is no Arab haplogroup. Arabs belong to anything from j1,j2, T, R1 and E3.
Royal family of Jordan who are Hashemites themselves belong to E3, which is very common in the Horn.

T-haplogroup is not special. It existed in the Horn almost as long as the E3, majority of Afars belong to T-haplogroup and in Dirdhaba 70% of Oromos. The T-haplogroup is more geographically bound and not ethnically bound.

The only difference being that T-haplogroup originated in the Sindh valley while the E3 most likely originated in the Horn even though some argue north east Africa and the Levant.

Xildiiid wrote:

There is no Arab haplogroup. Arabs belong to anything from j1,j2, T, R1 and E3.
Royal family of Jordan who are Hashemites themselves belong to E3, which is very common in the Horn.
T-haplogroup is not special. It existed in the Horn almost as long as the E3, majority of Afars belong to T-haplogroup and in Dirdhaba 70% of Oromos. The T-haplogroup is more geographically bound and not ethnically bound.
The only difference being that T-haplogroup originated in the Sindh valley while the E3 most likely originated in the Horn even though some argue north east Africa and the Levant.

If you have anything other than J haplogroup, you cannot be part of Banu Hashim. This is because that means you don't have the same ancestors.
Any person who says "I am a decendant of Hashimite", must first have J1 haplogroup.
If you have E Y-DNA, and you claim banu Hashim, you are a sheegato.

Xildiiid wrote:

thegoodshepherd wrote:

Xildiiid wrote:Facts;
4. Unless you've genetically tested more than half of Isaaq and put forth the variety in haplogroups and sub clades you have no case.

In order to claim that you descend from an Arab father, you must have J1 or J2 haplogroup Y-DNA.
All over Somalia, only about 3% of all men have J haplogroup Y-DNA, mostly concentrated in the north.
Cisse and Gudubirsi are extremely interesting in that over 80% of all Cisse and Gudubirsi have Haplogroup T- Y DNA.
Cisse and Gudubirsi are the only somali clans that can truly claim to be decended from Arabs or Eurasians.

There is no Arab haplogroup. Arabs belong to anything from j1,j2, T, R1 and E3.
Royal family of Jordan who are Hashemites themselves belong to E3, which is very common in the Horn.

T-haplogroup is not special. It existed in the Horn almost as long as the E3, majority of Afars belong to T-haplogroup and in Dirdhaba 70% of Oromos. The T-haplogroup is more geographically bound and not ethnically bound.

The only difference being that T-haplogroup originated in the Sindh valley while the E3 most likely originated in the Horn even though some argue north east Africa and the Levant.

You mean marocco not jordan? thats the berber DNA not arab N remember these Maroccan berbers and us somalis may be E3 but totally different E3.

Somalis are E-V12 and became E-V32 because of a mutation that happened while the people of maghreeb N spain are E-V65, you must remember not every man who even carries J1 or J2 can be arab. places like armenia, Iran N turkey(kurds) you would find a high number of J1 or J2.

The other arabs are not even close to the Prophet by DNA let alone other non-arab people the closest people to him by DNA are the Jewish Cohenians aka the house of Haruun(sa) they share the same unique DNA called the Cohen Modal Haplotype - J1c3 cuz J1 is a large family tree just like E3.

Here we go again;

I have more grandfathers than you. I have more goats than you .lets us all pretend to be genealogists time.

thegoodshepherd wrote:

Xildiiid wrote:

There is no Arab haplogroup. Arabs belong to anything from j1,j2, T, R1 and E3.
Royal family of Jordan who are Hashemites themselves belong to E3, which is very common in the Horn.
T-haplogroup is not special. It existed in the Horn almost as long as the E3, majority of Afars belong to T-haplogroup and in Dirdhaba 70% of Oromos. The T-haplogroup is more geographically bound and not ethnically bound.
The only difference being that T-haplogroup originated in the Sindh valley while the E3 most likely originated in the Horn even though some argue north east Africa and the Levant.

If you have anything other than J haplogroup, you cannot be part of Banu Hashim. This is because that means you don't have the same ancestors.
Any person who says "I am a decendant of Hashimite", must first have J1 haplogroup.
If you have E Y-DNA, and you claim banu Hashim, you are a sheegato.

Nonsense, as I told you the royal family in Jordan who trace their origin to the prophet belong the E3.

Can you prove that the prophet and the Hashemite famiky belong to J1?

Casanova gudhuu,

The Royal family in Jordan also belong to E3.

Until people prove the Hashemite family was J1, there's nothing to debate.

Xildhiid, you are losing this debate very badly. You are making a fool of yourself and it only confirms your lack of knowledge on this subject matter. If some Arabs have E3, they are probably the so rac. I suggest you educate yourself on the intricacies of genetics before you utter one more word.

If Ciise (remember that name, Ciise) were converted to Islam in the 19th century, why do I trace to Ciise another 27 to 30 generations? That puts Sheikh Ciise around the 12th or 13th century. Why do I also have names like Abdullah, Hassan, Yonis, Muse in my lineage going back to hundreds of years, much less Ciise the name? Ciise were Muslims way before Burcad Bacayr illegitimate children aka Idoor learned how to use the toilet, the wudu and salat.

Hodan94 wrote:oh please such nonsense, why don't u folks discover your ancestry first, there is many things that do not fit in with time on yours instead of constantly starting threads and insulting my founding father.

unless you provide full and I mean full evidence of every single detail about your forefathers will u able to discuss others, but until then goodbye.

As a woman stay away from politics and qabil talk.

This guy who just waken one of the London Marfish, He really thinks that this Map picture will convince British- goverment to give ictiraaf Somaliland- .

waqooyi dude :: Look look we have thiis Map.. yes its SUMAALILAND DEE eeg look .
Random white dude standing next to him (( what are you talking about sir)
waqooyi dude.. Look thiis picture.. this is Somaliland map. pls i need ictiraaf .. war caalow kalmadii afka ingriisiga haa RECOGNITION. DEE.
Random white dude standing next to him(( Sir i dont understand what you talking about..


waqooyi dude.. SSOOMAALILAND DALKEEEYGAAA.. SOOMAALILAND DADKEEYGA.. SOOMALILAAAND WAA DUUSHAY WEEY DUUUSHAY IGA WALLLEEE....

Xildiiid wrote:Casanova gudhuu,

The Royal family in Jordan also belong to E3.

Until people prove the Hashemite family was J1, there's nothing to debate.

loooool! this nigga is beyond desparate cuz his claiming King Abdullah of Jordan is E3. thats a lunatic claim.

read the things you post before you post

Xidiid's facts are based upon the writings of British explorers, who hated the Cisse because we fought against them in north Somalia The only people that had nice things written about them were the Idoor tribe, because they were bootlickers, the "friendlies"

Anyways, like Jabutaawi has mentioned, we were some of the first Muslims in the Horn. in 615 early muslims came to Zaylac and we converted to Islam. Which annuls the British lies.
We then spread and learned the deen in North Africa and Syria. Because of our knowledge we converted Somalis inland into Islam. Most Somalis were converted into Islam by a Somali, not Arab. This is historical fact.