Does Kulmiye have the right to remove Cirro?

[caadani90]

I have read this forum for a long while without actually posting. What is sad is that there used to be actually debates on here back in the day, now it seems every topic just breaks down to tribe bashing and my d*ck is longer than yours.

This is my attempt to take this debate past qabil and get to the point of who's right and who's wrong.

So does Kulmiye have the right to dislodge Cirro or not?

My opinion on this is that can ANYONE on this forum tell me of a SINGLE democratic parliament anywhere in the world where the party that has the majority in the house doesn't also have the leadership of the parliament. There isn't one, so why should Somaliland be any different.

Secondly, Somaliland is a democracy, parliamentarians are chosen through a ballot box to represent their communities. They then "democratically" vote on laws and motions brought before then. As it is a democratic process the majorities position prevails.

All those who are against Cirro's removal fail to understand these basics of democracy.

I see people on here and people like Suldaan Maxamed Muuse calling for open conflict because they either don't understand democracy or the place their qabil and pride ahead of peace and the existence of Somaliland.

As for my position, I would have preferred that the parliament would not have brought this motion, because other than the error of the underhanded changes to the citizenship law passed to the guurti, which was corrected, i dont see why they should feel the need to go after his position.

[Otherbrother]

Unless I am mistaken, Kulmiye is trying to delay the elections or get a extension for silyano. And with Cirro as the head of parliament, this will not happen. So they are trying to remove him. This is wrong.

Silyano should not have an election, we are not at war and have no reason to delay election. How the world runs their nations mean nothing, we have our rules. Cirro is the head of parliament, till his time is over.

Everyone has their time till its over, no need to remove silyano or cirro. They can bicker like old men.

[LilEmperor]

Cirro is just lame name, they should of named their party Warabe Gang or Wolfgang some odd future shit.

[caadani90]

Otherbrother, Just a few things bro:

1) Silanyo has never said or requested an extension. With every speech he has given he has clearly stated and outlined that the elections will take place on time.. infact he has staked his reputation on it. I have only ever heard the extension argument from Cirro, Ucid and the opposition media. I don't think he has any reason to want an extension for a number of reasons:
Firstly, presidents do not get any popular over time, so if the elections were to be held a year later he and his party will have even less of a chance of winning. Secondly, there are heavy weights, both individually and tribally, in his own party who want the chair.
There is actaully an argument for the opposition wanting an extension because the longer the election takes the more chance of fragmentation in the Kulmiye alliance.

2) The parliament does not have the power to extend the presidency only the guurti can do that and Cirro cannot stop it if they wish to do so.

3) you said both Cirro and Silanyo should be allowed to see out their time. Well Silanyo was elected for 5 years and still has 7 months while Cirro was elected for 5 years as an MP and is now in his 8th year. Also the parliament can impeach the president if they have grounds and enough votes in the parliament and if they do he will have to go. That hasn't happened. What has happened though is that the parliament has decided to vote out Cirro in the same way they voted him in. In response Cirro, rather than attempt to build a coaliation in the parliament turned to his tribe.

[Togdeer]

I don't think Kulmiye has any right to remove irro. But I beleive Irro should not have stayed as the speaker of the house, since he left UCID and created wadani. There is no country in the world that the speaker of the house as a leader of the oppostion party, or even a presidential candidate. I think He is too gready and should step down for his own sake, he can't juggle too many balls at once. Faisal Warabe mentioned this before.
I think he should step down and run his election campaign.

[caadani90]

I don't think Kulmiye has any right to remove irro. But I beleive Irro should not have stayed as the speaker of the house, since he left UCID and created wadani. There is no country in the world that the speaker of the house as a leader of the oppostion party, or even a presidential candidate. I think He is too gready and should step down for his own sake, he can't juggle too many balls at once. Faisal Warabe mentioned this before.
I think he should step down and run his election campaign.

The funny thing is when Faysal Ali Waraabe was rightfully campaigning for Cirro to relinquish the speaker role back 2011 and 2012 it was Kulimye who backed Cirro and refused to bring a motion as the majority party. Short sightedness!

As the party with the majority of MPs in a straight forward voting system Kulmiye has every right yo eject the speaker, under Somaliland's constitution, so long as they have the numbers.

[Togdeer]

Cirro is too gready he is making a fool of him self, he needs to choose to be the speaker of the house or a predential candidate. Because you can't be both.
This is not a good look for somaliland. But I think the parliment should have removed him from the house as soon as he left UCID.

[HooBariiska]

Is it fair to say this is at the heart of current political problems back home?