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How the West Came To Run Islamic Banks

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In reality, these Western banks make their interest gain in an obscure way. Definately, banks don't issue money or loan amortization with out some required returns. Are these Westerns beating our Sharia system in different way ? It seems they finally found how to outsmart the obligations of our religion that prevented us from requesting loan with interest charges or getting our investments financed. How innovative these white folks are? Laughing




How the West Came To Run Islamic Banks


Giants like Citigroup dominate the sector, through Islamic subsidiaries and hired Sharia scholars.


By Owen Matthews

Newsweek

Oct. 31, 2005 issue - You're a pious Muslim with a few million in oil dollars to invest. So would the perfect Islamic bank for you be Citigroup, perhaps? HSBC?

Actually, yes. Giant Western banks—or, rather, their Islamic subsidiaries—are leading the market for financing that complies with Qur'anic laws forbidding lending money for profit, or sponsoring un-Islamic activities such as gambling or smoking. Citigroup's Bahrain-based Citi Islamic subsidiary was first into the market in 1996, and now leads the pack with deposits of more than $6 billion. Citi and at least 10 other Western majors dwarf the biggest locally owned rival, Al Baraka of Bahrain, worth a little more than half a billion.

Westerners are drawn in by oil money. The Middle East is enjoying its fastest growth in a generation. According to Islamic Banking and Finance magazine, there are $265 billion in deposits that comply with Sharia, the law that governs the behavior of Muslims, finances included. That's up 17 percent in the past year, and by almost 10 times in the past decade, according to the U.A.E.'s Sharjah Islamic Bank. Since 1996 Dow Jones has offered indexes of stocks vetted by Sharia scholars. Now there are more than 40 Islamic indexes, and last year Islamic stocks on average outperformed the market by 5 percent.

How did Western banks come to dominate a market predicated on Islamic purity? A generation ago, an Islamic bank was just a simple investment house that, instead of paying interest on deposits, created dividends by buying and renting out property. "Islam forbids making money on money," says Alun Williams, marketing director of the new Islamic Bank of Britain. "But it does allow you to rent, and to trade." Now Western banks are using that template to pioneer Islamic credit cards, Islamic mortgages and Islamic bonds (known as sukuks ) that during the past year have financed everything from a $1 billion upgrade of Dubai airport to Pakistani government debt. As growth picks up in the Middle East, more and more Muslim-run corporations find they need sophisticated services, from bond issues to derivatives, that so far only Western banks provide.

The Western banks gain Islamic credibility by hiring top-drawer Sharia scholars to sit on their boards. "The caliber of your scholars is the basis on which these [financial products] are marketed," says Majid Dawood, a London-based consultant on Sharia compliance. Because there are just a handful of financially literate Islamic scholars in the market, most sit on the boards of many institutions and can, says Dawood, command salaries of as much as $88,500 per year per bank. Sheik Mohammed Taqi Usmani, a former Sharia judge on the Supreme Court of Pakistan, sits on the board of Citi Islamic, HSBC, Al Baraka and eight others, and is chairman of the Dow Jones Islamic indexes' Sharia panel.

But the trend toward investing in Islamic funds really took off after 9/11, when many Muslims began bringing their money home from America. Since then, international banks like Societe Generale, BNP Paribas, Deutsche Bank and Standard Chartered have all entered the Islamic banking business. Accounting and consulting firms like Ernst Young are now offering Islamic financial services. The recently opened Islamic Bank of Britain, owned by leading Islamic banks and other institutions from the Middle East, plans to create a retail-banking chain for "average income" Muslim Britons, says Williams.

Customers in Muslim nations are driven to Western banks in part by distrust of their own banks. Prominent failures, such as the 2001 collapse of Turkey's Ilhas Finance dented depositors' faith. In Turkey, the Islamic world's largest economy, the fledgling Islamic-banking sector is lobbying the state to guarantee deposits of up to $36,000, which could in time make Turkey a major player. In Malaysia, where more than 11 percent of deposits are now Sharia-compliant, local houses like Bank Muamalat are working to gain on the multinationals. "Local Islamic banks lack sophistication," says Humayun Dar, an Islamic economist. "Customers are still more comfortable with an international name." Even if the rules are strictly local.



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It's all a scheme by the Jews to control Muslim money.
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The West came to run Islamic banking becuz they aint that much different. Except Westerners are HONEST and muslims are NOT by calling interest 'profit.'
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[quote="dhuusa_deer"]The West came to run Islamic banking becuz they aint that much different. Except Westerners are HONEST and muslims are NOT by calling interest 'profit.'[/quote]

Even the west doesn't believe that.... Laughing Laughing

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There's something muslims have to think about... Why there are so many jew banks and there's not a bank by a muslim comunity? Muslims are always complaining about this kind of complot against Islam, but they do nothing to have newspapers, TV channels, etc, to spread the muslim message through the world. They complain as victims of some kind of conspiracy agaisnt muslim, but they do nothing...

If I were the King of Saudi Arabi, or Yemen, or etc, I would have a newspaper, for example, to express my opinion...

Iran is acussing Israel, for example, of all the bad things that are happening to the muslim world.

But nobody, in the muslim world, is doing anything, except complaining, when the muslim world (Saudi Arabia, etc) is rich enough to maintain slaves, the Royal Family, the classes, etc.


Hence: Saudi Arabia allows slavery, the stoning of women, the rights of the males, etc. Muslims complain about how bad their religions is bad-mouthed in Europe, for example, but they don't say a word when a fanatic muslim explodes a train in London...

Muslims have to choose: if they want to be on the democratic style or if they want to be in the nazi style...

They can't have both things at the same time...
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i cant stand Kamal. Somebody help him
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Post by gurey25 »

Dhuuse

There is a differance between Profit and Interest.
Interest is charged on any assets mayt hey be part of the working capital or stock of a business or
just savings. Profit depends completly on the contiued interaction with the market.
This comes from the islamic ban on earing money from manipulating money, when you are sharing profit
your loan is undergoing risk, that is why it is halal.
If this was a traditional bank then all you have to do is secure the loan with collateral and the charge interest on the loan, there is hardly any risk.

This is all intended to prevent hoarding of wealth by the wealthy, and preventing the widening of the divide betwen rich and poor.
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[quote="DamallaXagare"]His chimpanzee mom is not honest too[/quote]


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Gurey25,

Interest IS aslo profit. Conventional banks charge interests on money they lend and pay interest to depositers. The difference between the two 'interests' is the banks PROFIT! That is how western banks make money. Since banks are like all other business, they need to make money to stay afloat or they'll sink. Although there are other ways banks money, interest money is where they get most of their of profits.

I agree with you on how you defined interest and profit.

But I don't understand what you mean by this:

"This comes from the islamic ban on earing money from manipulating money, when you are sharing profit"

what do you mean by 'manipulating' money? Banks neither set the interest rates (the market does along with the Central Bank) nor change the money supply.

You also say: "This is all intended to prevent hoarding of wealth by the wealthy, and preventing the widening of the divide betwen rich and poor"

I agree that long ago, like 7th century or in developing world today, rich village leaders or strong man lend money to the needy and when they are unable to repay force them into servitude or slavery or whatever. In those cases banning interest charges is sensical.

But outside of small villages and hamlets where market economy is practiced, interest on borrowed money makes sense. The banks need to make money and entrepreneurs needed starting capital. No one is forced to take loans and the person can 'shop' around for best interest rate. But NO free lunch. No one should get a capital to start a business which one day will make him rich and him not pay the 'rent' for the capital.

Also interest charges increase the value of money. A dollard that has been collecting interest charges for 2 years is worth more then a one that has been kept at home. Consequently, the person with first dollard will be richer and able to afford to buy MORE. This in turn drives cost up for a short while, since the seller knows the buyer can afforded it but increased revenues affords him to make more products and the price goes down. Everyone benefits.

Interest is fundamental to modern economies, without they'll collapse.
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[quote="LionHeart-112"][quote="dhuusa_deer"]The West came to run Islamic banking becuz they aint that much different. Except Westerners are HONEST and muslims are NOT by calling interest 'profit.'[/quote]

Even the west doesn't believe that.... Laughing Laughing

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what does the West not believe?
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Dhuusa_deer,


Are you still suckinh Sharon? Why? He is an old jews.
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Optimist
Truth hurts doesn't it? You guys love to complain, love to babble about conspiracies, but the truth is you're a bunch of lazy bastards who have a socio-economic system that wouldn't pass muster with a tribe of barbary apes.
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MAD MAC i think he is a real softie come on the way he writes and all disgusting.

MAD MAC caliphate coming soon wether you like or not. Islam will once again dominate
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