Slaves and Slavery in Islam and the treaty on it.

[VeiledGarbasar]

The entire world signed the anti-slavery treaty which was ratified by Muslim scholars and Islamic countries and the rest of the countries of the world at a time when there was a fierce competition for slaves. Consequently, slavery ended worldwide after the international treaty for the abolishment of slavery was signed in Berlin in 1860 AD. Today, the enslavement of war captives is replaced by imprisonment and other practices stated in international agreements that Muslims and all world countries abide by. This has become a binding system that disallows anyone to enslave another.

Based on the above, human trafficking is impermissible in the Shari'ah. By virtue of the above mentioned treaty, all humans are deemed free and cannot be bought or sold. Muslims signed international treaties to end slavery which came in accordance with Islam's desire to limit its sources and expand the means towards freedom. Thus, all people are free as God the Almighty created them.

[Twist]

I would like to see the discussion that will ensue from this and zumaale & Co's long copy and paste replies back and forth.

[VeiledGarbasar]

There's no slaves in the legal sense around today, and therefore none can be acquired. Thank The Lord it has been ABOLISHED, thank The Lord that something Allah swt detested has been banned. Thank The Lord that something Islam systematically worked to erase is finally done and over with, in the legal sense.

We now work to get rid of Human trafficking and ILLEGAL slavery.

Walilahilhamd.

[Hyperactive]

ooh God help us. at least its for change from talking about homosexual and athiests .lol

twist most be happy.

[Gabre]

Since when do treaties take precedence over the sunnah of the Prophet? Besides, it looks like no one really cared about that treaty since slavery was legally practiced in the Muslim world well into the 20th century, 100 years later. Slavery is a completely halal and regulated matter in the shariah.

If Allah SWT detested slavery, He would have made it haram like He made alcohol (the mother of all evils as the Prophet called it) haram. This is despite it being very common, just as slavery was.

Allah warns us strongly about making that which he made halal for us haram in Surah Ma'idah verse 87.

[VeiledGarbasar]

Anyone who tries to find out ways slavery is allowed, is a sick individual or a truly misguided one.

We have sick people, who goodness knows being watching w/e and now want to start yapping their mouth around saying Islam and Muslims are allowed slaves. Son, sit your ass down! We have no time for sick fantasies and let me remind you, it is females they usually want to capture. No guesses as to why and how they will be treated.

[Basra-]

ooh God help us. at least its for change from talking about homosexual and athiests .lol

twist most be happy.

hyper walaal, why are u always sickly and prone to get easily????? why do u have a sick constitution macaanto? Pardon me for adiiga ku sijeenste.

[Typhoon]

The entire world signed the anti-slavery treaty which was ratified by Muslim scholars and Islamic countries and the rest of the countries of the world at a time when there was a fierce competition for slaves. Consequently, slavery ended worldwide after the international treaty for the abolishment of slavery was signed in Berlin in 1860 AD. Today, the enslavement of war captives is replaced by imprisonment and other practices stated in international agreements that Muslims and all world countries abide by. This has become a binding system that disallows anyone to enslave another.

Based on the above, human trafficking is impermissible in the Shari'ah. By virtue of the above mentioned treaty, all humans are deemed free and cannot be bought or sold. Muslims signed international treaties to end slavery which came in accordance with Islam's desire to limit its sources and expand the means towards freedom. Thus, all people are free as God the Almighty created them.

Slavery is discouraged but permitted
anti-slavery treaty is like a memorandum of understanding or Regulatory law, its is legally not binding in islamic law
that banning is like a banning under civil law would that be a definitive law under common law, the answer is no without a common law precedence

under islamic there is noting that would disallow banning of slavery in Regulatory treaty if it doesn`t contradict the supremacy of islamic law


i wrote this in other thread few years back

by Eaglehawk » Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:29 pm

Moral superiority is derived from your conduct not just from proclamation.
Muslim proclaim to be superior but don`t conduct in that matter.
But Islamic law is theoretically superior to western law it’s just muslims are selective
.
In islam there is no such thing as slavery. Muslim didn`t practise the same slavery as the west.
The western slavery was based on racial and economic interest.
Inalienable rights where granted to slaves and benifiet where granted to the master under islam
In an era where fosil fuel is the main source of energy it’s easy for you to dismiss the central role slave man power played historically and Islamic laws are a reflection but it discourages yet its permissible meaning you are not recommended, because islam was for yesterday and today and islam anticipated a time where slavery was not required

You cannot use morality as your base and judge abstract things such as civilisation and institutions.
I didn`t know oromo people where abolitionist

Eaglehawk » Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:36 pm

The problem with modern people is they view morality through the prism of custom and that means as your costumes change your morality changes but we know what was wrong yesterday is wrong today.

To say slavery is bad today stems from custom based thinking and not universal truth
Islam is universal trut and is not bound by the changing costumes

[zumaale]

Since when do treaties take precedence over the sunnah of the Prophet? Besides, it looks like no one really cared about that treaty since slavery was legally practiced in the Muslim world well into the 20th century, 100 years later. Slavery is a completely halal and regulated matter in the shariah.

If Allah SWT detested slavery, He would have made it haram like He made alcohol (the mother of all evils as the Prophet called it) haram. This is despite it being very common, just as slavery was.

Allah warns us strongly about making that which he made halal for us haram in Surah Ma'idah verse 87.

Twist, Gabre's reply suffices. I am tired of debating with Al Juhala that have been brainwashed by Western thoughts on what constitutes the Rights of Man. You cannot debate something which is clearly not forbidden in the Quran.

To the OP, when did man made laws supercede Allah's words?

[Gabre]

Anyone who tries to find out ways slavery is allowed, is a sick individual or a truly misguided one.

We have sick people, who goodness knows being watching w/e and now want to start yapping their mouth around saying Islam and Muslims are allowed slaves. Son, sit your ass down! We have no time for sick fantasies and let me remind you, it is females they usually want to capture. No guesses as to why and how they will be treated.

Are you calling the Prophet and Sahabahs sick for having practiced slavery? Making that which Allah made halal haram is a grave sin in Islam. And for the record, I don't have any fantasies about slave women or children.

[Basra-]

For me--I ask the BIG question. Why does Islam allow hierarchies of class. Why is there no clause that states ALL HUMAN BEINGS ARE EQUAL, clearly and without confusion of language. The existence of slave is obvious--WHY???? The existence of servants??? Why?? The existence of Poor people? Why"""""?? Is it possible that Allaah saw is trying to tell us something inherent about ourselves? I mean, the adoon is clearly declared inferior in the Quran. The question why? Is it a guide to how we need to interact with each other knowing full well of different people limitations? Why are there roles??? Is it a machination of bringing order if everyone assumes the roles? A woman is half less a man. A slave is equal or half less a woman. An Adoon man is half less a nasaan man? What then? Big questions huh?

[zumaale]

Anyone who tries to find out ways slavery is allowed, is a sick individual or a truly misguided one.

We have sick people, who goodness knows being watching w/e and now want to start yapping their mouth around saying Islam and Muslims are allowed slaves. Son, sit your ass down! We have no time for sick fantasies and let me remind you, it is females they usually want to capture. No guesses as to why and how they will be treated.

Veiled, one of your ayeeyos might have been a captured Habashi slave. You might have not existed and on Somalinet to utter sheit if she had not been enslaved and subsequently bedded

[Twist]

For me--I ask the BIG question. Why does Islam allow hierarchies of class. Why is there no clause that states ALL HUMAN BEINGS ARE EQUAL, clearly and without confusion of language. The existence of slave is obvious--WHY???? The existence of servants??? Why?? The existence of Poor people? Why"""""?? Is it possible that Allaah saw is trying to tell us something inherent about ourselves? I mean, the adoon is clearly declared inferior in the Quran. The question why? Is it a guide to how we need to interact with each other knowing full well of different people limitations? Why are there roles??? Is it a machination of bringing order if everyone assumes the roles? A woman is half less a man. A slave is equal or half less a woman. An Adoon man is half less a nasaan man? What then? Big questions huh?

This woman, this woman here!

[Twist]

Anyone who tries to find out ways slavery is allowed, is a sick individual or a truly misguided one.

We have sick people, who goodness knows being watching w/e and now want to start yapping their mouth around saying Islam and Muslims are allowed slaves. Son, sit your ass down! We have no time for sick fantasies and let me remind you, it is females they usually want to capture. No guesses as to why and how they will be treated.

Veiled, one of your ayeeyos might have been a captured Habashi slave. You might have not existed and on Somalinet to utter sheit if she had not been enslaved and subsequently bedded

I didn't think things were going to take such a turn. How very religious!

[zumaale]

Twist, it is a possibility, we did take Habashis as slaves after all. No misinformation there. With all due respect, the lady is talking shit! Treaty abolishes slavery in Islam kulaha. I have heard it all now.