Is Somaliland a tribal state or nation?

[Slick44]

If S/land is a nation as we claim, maxa ka dhigay 90% of the gov isaaq only? This is a serious issue that needs to be addressed by all somalilander if we want SL to prosper and get the recognition it derseves. We can't just ignore this dhibato and expect every other clan to rally behind an isaaq gov. Waxan wax ha laga qabto : )

[LeJusticier]

90%?
Where did you get this figure? or waad somaaliyeynaysaa!! waan iska garanayaa?

Le justicier
Jai dis la Verite

[Slick44]

The president , parliament speaker, head of police and military , all 3 national xisbi, head of maxkamada, wasarada arimaha gudaha iyo dibeda, waasirka madaxtooyada, and I can go on and on all day, wixiiba waxa qaatay isaaq! That's a fact. Wax la qarin karo maha sxb ee wadanka daad ba inalaleh ee sidaan an wax ka badelno.

[lander24]

Because we're 90 percent of the population duh

[ramzy2277]

Somaliland has adopted the political parties to be the sole representative of the people's political aspiration and to reach for the governance , the political parties are made of tribal and entrepreneurs alliances, so any political party who wins the elections will reflect their stakeholders's interest and power sharing.
Reer Awdal politicians for example dont contribute much to the political parties and also they dont spend much on the campains and the funds the parties need to keep running and functioning, they only rely on playing the vice president card should be theirs,and wait to be selected by any party.
the same thing goes for reer Sool and Sanag bari, both dont contribute financially and politically in the parties and their also rely on being selected as a front cover to reflect diversity only.

if they want to have more shares in the Somaliland political life,they have to understand the life and tendency of the political parties and start brining their intellectuals and entrepreneurs into the game.

[LeJusticier]

The president , parliament speaker, head of police and military , all 3 national xisbi, head of maxkamada, wasarada arimaha gudaha iyo dibeda, waasirka madaxtooyada, and I can go on and on all day, wixiiba waxa qaatay isaaq! That's a fact. Wax la qarin karo maha sxb ee wadanka daad ba inalaleh ee sidaan an wax ka badelno.

Since when Cadani become Idoor?
head of maxkamada? are you sure?

[Slick44]

@ramzy that still doesn't explain why all major ministries are under 1 clan. Yes SL has adopted democracy political parties but to create a new political party comes once every 10 years and SL is only 23 yrs since regaining it's independence. @LeJusticier cadami has no control over the armed forces they come under the presidency, and yes shaqale chief of army is isaaq. Cadami wuxuu iska fadhiya wasarad madhan. Sadly SL is 1 clan dominated and instead of making poor excuses like "isaaq are the majority" and "it's fair politics" we just need to face up and realise if this problem isn't sorted out there won't be qaranimo and we will just end up like galmudug and jubaland.

[ramzy2277]

what I explained to you is not a poor excuse,but rather its a mere fact. Somaliland has adopted the one man one vote and political parties,now this system has its pros and cons in Somaliland or somalia because the larger clans will always dominate the votes as the voters will vote for their clansmen, this is a fact its not an excuse, look at the last municipal elections of 2012, every candidate played the qabiil card iyo reer hebel ibnu hebel,it reached sub-sub-sub-sub clan level,let alone being isxaaq.
so the outcome of the winning party will try to select and benefit those who voted for him,its an ugly and sad turn how we democratize the clans and how the society have been polarized by this democratic process.
I remeber there was one gadarbuuri candidate in the municipal electrions who was selected from hargeisa , that means he was trusted and succeeded of convincing the voters on his own merits not becuz of the qabeel.

all in all, somaliland needs the perfetc fit the the job not a front cover to please the clannish minds.Somaliland have a cuase to regain its independence and we need active people who will work from their heart of hearts to achieve this goal not just sit idle and pretend his post will bring peace to the country.....we tried that part with Xaabsade what was the end of it, they guy was the head of the Parliament and eventually he fled to puntland..!!

[SahanGalbeed]

Somaliland is the only viable somali project . Instead of asking us if we love them , if we would eventually think about rejoigning a potential Somalia given this or that , if we would bliblibli or if we would blablabla .... I think if the rest of the somali tribes would swear allegiance to Somaliland , their future as well their honor could only be saved .

[Lancer]

What do you want? A 3.5? Nobody is going to give power of positions to people who didn't work for it. If they want to be more represented they should join parties and work for it.

[Slick44]

@ramzy I understand the points your making in regards to the system SL as adopted and how it's all about the voting. But you seem to be missing a key point here, there's something called power sharing amongst all who inhabit that land or country, if the president and ruling party was elected by the people votes then they have a duty to create a gov which consist of all people from all regions of the country. It's the president who appoints the ministers , chief of police and army, regional governors and so on. And that's the point here sxb, all major ministries and positions waxa qatay 1 clan! I don't believe for a min , silanyo couldn't find a well respected , educated man or woman from awdal samaroon , warsangeli , dhulbahante , gaboye , that's just bs, there has to be a change if SL is to stay SL otherwise it will be isaaq maqaaxi!

[Xamud.]

Somaliland is a tribal state, anyone that claims otherwise is deluded.

[AbdiJohnson]

Yes just like how Somalia is a clan state and how kilinka shanaad is a clan state and how Djibouti is a clan state and how NFD is a clan state and how Puntland is a clan state.

I am,

Abdi "End thread" Johnson

[Xamud.]

^^Somalia is not a clan state, I agree with the rest, maybe with the exception of Kiliinka Shanaad.

[AbdiJohnson]

Somalia = Mogadishu at the moment. It is a Hawiye state. Even if a D&M or Darod becomes President, he will be a Hawiye controlled/appeasing President.

Kilinka Shanaad = Ogaden/Ethiopian control. If a Sheikhaal or Issa becomes President, he will be controlled by the Ogaden.

Doesn't matter who becomes President or leader. Dahir Riyale had to appease the Isaaq or his government would have been toppled in a matter of minutes

I am,

Abdi "This is a very dangerous situation we have here" Johnson