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we will be fired from our jobs and schools...... not one single somali minister has done what they were hired for....... if xassan shaikh was running a private company it will had gone down..... And this people are our leaders !

lasanodboi wrote:we will be fired from our jobs and schools...... not one single somali minister has done what they were hired for....... if xassan shaikh was running a private company it will had gone down..... And this people are our leaders !

HSM was the founder/ruler of SIMAD University which is one of the best Uni in Somalia.

honestly.....i really hope intelligent people take over...im so tired of these fat dumb basterds shitting all over somalia while they fill they're stomachs and the rest of Somalia starves to death. qabil, ignorance and religion is whats killing somalia....

anzeloti wrote:

lasanodboi wrote:we will be fired from our jobs and schools...... not one single somali minister has done what they were hired for....... if xassan shaikh was running a private company it will had gone down..... And this people are our leaders !

HSM was the founder/ruler of SIMAD University which is one of the best Uni in Somalia.

now is the president of somalia not an NGO leader so what is your point ? To be honest I think other people was behind the succes of simad nobody can fail so much and have a succesful history

lasanodboi wrote:

anzeloti wrote:

lasanodboi wrote:we will be fired from our jobs and schools...... not one single somali minister has done what they were hired for....... if xassan shaikh was running a private company it will had gone down..... And this people are our leaders !

HSM was the founder/ruler of SIMAD University which is one of the best Uni in Somalia.

now is the president of somalia not an NGO leader so what is your point ? To be honest I think other people was behind the succes of simad nobody can fail so much and have a succesful history

Dude u are contradicting yourself

U stated that if HSM was running a private company it will had gone down which is bullshit that is why i quoted for u his SIMAD background

@red

idiot the simad university is not something to be proud of it was an Ngo project in warlord controlled hell capital in the worlds most failed country a degree from simad uni is not regonized anywhere

It's not just Somali government, but any government found anywhere else. It seems like incompetence is a job requirement if u wanna go into politics or work for the government. Not surprised at all, I see here in my state on daily basis.

Is Corruption a Somali Culture?



http://www.hiiraan.com/op4/2015/jan/979 ... lture.aspx

Islam doesn't condone corruption but Somali qabiilism does. We strongly support out tribal brothers to become presidents, prime ministers, lead important ministries, so they can help us and our qabiil members before they embark on helping other Somalis to which they took an oath and their job description entails to. Check on this board, the politics section and the regions section, you will rarely see a Somali supporting a Somali president or prime minister, Gobol president of another tribe out of Somalinimo conviction, Even in TixriLand, we want our sub-qabiil representative to be in-charge. The same people complain on the forum like that Ethiopia controls Somali politics thread, Whose fault is it? Ours or the politicians?

All you have to do is look at Somalinet's armchair politicians and 'political analysts' to observe that we can never build a meritocratic society. Most lobby for their clan politician like an AIPAC member lobbies for Israel.

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So you are saying if we had Islam, there would be no corruption? News Flash, humans are corrupted by nature.

Even though it's against our Diin, it still doesn't stop people from being corrupted.

Look at Saudi Kings who spend hundreds of millions of dollars in Paris and London every yr on luxury.

GAMER wrote:So you are saying if we had Islam, there would be no corruption? News Flash, humans are corrupted by nature.

Even though it's against our Diin, it still doesn't stop people from being corrupted.

Look at Saudi Kings who spend hundreds of millions of dollars in Paris and London every yr on luxury.

Gamer

We both agree that Islam doesn't condone corruption but humans are very corrupted by nature. We are not discussing Saudi royals spending their ill-gotten money in Paris or Monaco, but the Somali culture of corruption. We Somalis encourage and support our tribal cousins-uncles-brothers to be in a position of power in Somalia only to make large amounts of money. If a Somali leader doesn't make a couple of millions out of corruption kick-backs during his tenure as leader, then he will be considered as a weak leader. The definition of a strong tribal leaders we support is the most corrupted one who their ill-gained wealth can trickle down to the sub-clan. In conclusion qabiilism and corruption complement one another. Why do we complain of these leaders when we are their defenders?

Machiavelli2 wrote:

GAMER wrote:So you are saying if we had Islam, there would be no corruption? News Flash, humans are corrupted by nature.

Even though it's against our Diin, it still doesn't stop people from being corrupted.

Look at Saudi Kings who spend hundreds of millions of dollars in Paris and London every yr on luxury.

Gamer

We both agree that Islam doesn't condone corruption but humans are very corrupted by nature. We are not discussing Saudi royals spending their ill-gotten money in Paris or Monaco, but the Somali culture of corruption. We Somalis encourage and support our tribal cousins-uncles-brothers to be in a position of power in Somalia only to make large amounts of money. If a Somali leader doesn't make a couple of millions out of corruption kick-backs during his tenure as leader, then he will be considered as a weak leader. The definition of a strong tribal leaders we support is the most corrupted one who their ill-gained wealth can trickle down to the sub-clan. In conclusion qabiilism and corruption complement one another. Why do we complain of these leaders when we are their defenders?

Somali culture of corruption is no different from any other groups. Ours is based on Qabiil. But in America and in other countries, it's based on Interest groups and have pretty much worse corruption than us.

Corruption has been with society from the beginning of time and you can't just get rid of it. Just like you can't get rid of crime and killings. But you can manage it and punish those who engage in it.

Somalia is multi Qabiil state, and that means if one person from 1 Qabiil engages in corruption to benefit his Qabiil, everyone else would rise up and point it out.

Like checks and balances.

GAMER wrote:

Machiavelli2 wrote:

GAMER wrote:So you are saying if we had Islam, there would be no corruption? News Flash, humans are corrupted by nature.

Even though it's against our Diin, it still doesn't stop people from being corrupted.

Look at Saudi Kings who spend hundreds of millions of dollars in Paris and London every yr on luxury.

Gamer

We both agree that Islam doesn't condone corruption but humans are very corrupted by nature. We are not discussing Saudi royals spending their ill-gotten money in Paris or Monaco, but the Somali culture of corruption. We Somalis encourage and support our tribal cousins-uncles-brothers to be in a position of power in Somalia only to make large amounts of money. If a Somali leader doesn't make a couple of millions out of corruption kick-backs during his tenure as leader, then he will be considered as a weak leader. The definition of a strong tribal leaders we support is the most corrupted one who their ill-gained wealth can trickle down to the sub-clan. In conclusion qabiilism and corruption complement one another. Why do we complain of these leaders when we are their defenders?

Somali culture of corruption is no different from any other groups. Ours is based on Qabiil. But in America and in other countries, it's based on Interest groups and have pretty much worse corruption than us.

Corruption has been with society from the beginning of time and you can't just get rid of it. Just like you can't get rid of crime and killings. But you can manage it and punish those who engage in it.

Somalia is multi Qabiil state, and that means if one person from 1 Qabiil engages in corruption to benefit his Qabiil, everyone else would rise up and point it out.

Like checks and balances.

We all act like children at play in the confines of a playground. Not one of us would step down and everyone is acting like that one annoying kid who takes his ball home because he sucks at the game. We need to stop appointing government positions based on qabil and give it those who have qualities suited to that position.

GAMER wrote:

Machiavelli2 wrote:

GAMER wrote:So you are saying if we had Islam, there would be no corruption? News Flash, humans are corrupted by nature.

Even though it's against our Diin, it still doesn't stop people from being corrupted.

Look at Saudi Kings who spend hundreds of millions of dollars in Paris and London every yr on luxury.

Gamer

We both agree that Islam doesn't condone corruption but humans are very corrupted by nature. We are not discussing Saudi royals spending their ill-gotten money in Paris or Monaco, but the Somali culture of corruption. We Somalis encourage and support our tribal cousins-uncles-brothers to be in a position of power in Somalia only to make large amounts of money. If a Somali leader doesn't make a couple of millions out of corruption kick-backs during his tenure as leader, then he will be considered as a weak leader. The definition of a strong tribal leaders we support is the most corrupted one who their ill-gained wealth can trickle down to the sub-clan. In conclusion qabiilism and corruption complement one another. Why do we complain of these leaders when we are their defenders?

Somali culture of corruption is no different from any other groups. Ours is based on Qabiil. But in America and in other countries, it's based on Interest groups and have pretty much worse corruption than us.

Corruption has been with society from the beginning of time and you can't just get rid of it. Just like you can't get rid of crime and killings. But you can manage it and punish those who engage in it.

Somalia is multi Qabiil state, and that means if one person from 1 Qabiil engages in corruption to benefit his Qabiil, everyone else would rise up and point it out.

Like checks and balances.

lol Gamer, checks and balances or with AK47's? No one is denying corruption exists in all countries and in all levels of governments, however corruption in Somalia is endemic because it is structured through qabiilism and that is why through cultural design, it is encouraged and flourishes. It is always the other qabiil's leader who is corrupt but not ours, though we expect him to gives us priority to positions of power and enrich us by any means necessary. Hundred's of Americans lawmakers, city administrators and other top officials were convicted of fraud and corruption since 2010 alone, while our own Parliamentarians in Somalia have now coined a word called Mooshin for corruption. We are comparing apples to oranges.

2010–2015

Alabama
State Representative Terry Spicer (D) pleaded guilty to accepting more than $3000 per month in bribes. (2011)[1]

Arizona
State Representative Richard Miranda (D) resigned from the legislature in February 2012 citing family and health reasons. In March he pleaded guilty to wire fraud and tax evasion.[2] (2012)

Local
Nogales Mayor Octavio Garcia Von Borstel (D), and his father, Octavio Garcia Suarez, were arrested on fraud, theft and money laundering charges. He was ultimately convicted of bribery charges and received a three and a half year prison term. He was sentenced to seven years probation on the fraud charges.[3][4]

Arkansas
State Representative Hudson Hallum (D) pleaded guilty to voter bribing. (2012)[5]

California
State Assemblywoman Mary Hayashi (D) She was charged with felony grand theft after being caught on video surveillance allegedly shoplifting $2,445 worth of merchandise from San Francisco's Neiman Marcus store.[6][7] She was sentenced to $180 fine and three years probation and was ordered to stay more than 50 feet from the store. (2011)

Local
Mayor of San Diego Bob Filner (D) given three months of house arrest, three years probation, and partial loss of his mayoral pension after pleading guilty to state charges of false imprisonment and battery. (2013)[8]

Colorado
State Representative Douglas Bruce (R), was convicted on four counts of felony criminal activity including, money laundering, attempted improper influence of a public official, and tax fraud. He was sentenced on February 13, 2012 to a total of 180 days in jail, $49,000 in fines, and six months of probation which included extensive disclosure requirements. (2011)[9][10]

Connecticut
State Senator Thomas Gaffey (D), arrested for larceny.[11] He resolved the criminal charges by agreeing to plead guilty to a misdemeanor, resign his state senate seat effective January 5, 2011, and serve 100 hours of community service. (2011)

Local
Mayor of Hartford, Connecticut Eddie Perez (D), was sentenced to eight years, suspended after three years, with three years in prison, to be followed by three years of probation for corruption. (2010)[12]

Florida
Chairman of the Republican Party of Florida, Jim Greer (R) was sentenced to 18 months in prison plus one year of probation after pleading guilty to four counts of theft and one count of money laundering, admitting he stole some $200,000 of party donations. (2013)[13][14]

Local
Port St. Lucie Mayor Patricia Christensen (D) was convicted of theft of campaign funds. In a guilty plea agreement, she was sentenced to probation. (2011)[15]

North Miami Mayor Lucie Tondreau (D) was convicted in December, 2014 on felony charges of participating in an $11 million mortgage fraud scheme. She faces up to 30 years in prison for conspiracy and wire fraud convictions. Her sentencing is schedulred for March 20, 2015.[16]

Georgia
State Senator Charles Walker (D), was convicted of 127 felony charges related to various schemes. Walker paid $698,047 in restitution and another $200,000 in fines and court fees. (2013)[17]

Local
Gwinnett County Commissioner Shirley Lasseter (R) resigned and pled guilty to bribery. (2012)[18]

Illinois
State Representative Derrick Smith (D) was arrested and convicted of accepting a $7000 bribe. (2012)[20]

Local
Alderman of Chicago, Sandi Jackson (D) pled guilty to one count of filing false tax returns. (2013)[21]
Comptroller and Treasurer for Dixon, IL, Rita Crundwell was arrested for fraud after allegedly embezzling as much as $30 million over many years.[22] On February 14, 2013, Crundwell was sentenced to 19 years and 7 months in prison, just under the maximum 20-year sentence.[23]

Indiana
Secretary of State Charlie White (R) was convicted of 6 of 7 felony charges including perjury, theft and voter fraud. (2012)[24]

Local
Mayor of East Chicago George Pabey (D) was convicted by a federal court jury on September 24, 2010 of conspiracy and theft of government funds. (2010)[25]

Iowa
State Senator Kent Sorenson (R) resigned from office October 2, 2013 when it was revealed that he accepted $73,000 to change his support from Michele Bachmann’s campaign to that of Ron Paul. He pled guilty to one count of falsely reporting expenditures and one count of obstruction of justice.[26]

Local
New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin (D) was found guilty on 20 counts of bribery and was sentenced to ten years in federal prison. (2014)[27]

Thousands of successfully prosecuted American officials sentenced to serve time for corruption. Check this link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Am ... _of_crimes

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