As A Somali I Truly Hate My People, But Out Of Dissapointment

[Murax]

So many traits they have that annoy Me that manifests ourselves in our situation:

-Zero respect for hard work or blue collar attributes. A hardworking Somali working 2 jobs will be mocked, while a welfare benefits scamming crook with money reserves will be respected

-Intense competition family wise with regards to other Somalis, but again not the same ambition being competitive against the world.

-Sense of entitlement and feeling that everything is owed to them. This is usually coupled with lack of gratitude When something's actually done for them.

-Outrageous sense of jealousy, hatred for other Somalis whether for Qablaayad, or what have You

-Not paying dues or going through the steps to achieve a certain title. A Guy is known as 'Doktoor' yet barely has a College degree, a Guy is a 'Shaykh' yet Has no real Islamic knowledge, etc.


Bottom line is although I hate all the Somalis that have these traits who probably make up about 90%, I really view the ones who don't as My true Brothers ans Sisters. Hopefully one day this is wiped from our characteristics.

[YummyMummy]

Depressingly true. But you'll sadly find similar traits in many Muslim countries. It speaks of the decline of the collective iimaan of the Ummah

[Methylamine]

[1nemansquad]

i honestly think your hatred for Somalis comes from your personal disappoints in yourself, it seems that you're projecting what you hate about yourself onto others..

[Marques]

i honestly think your hatred for Somalis comes from your personal disappoints in yourself, it seems that you're projecting what you hate about yourself onto others..

I wouldn't say about himself, more like what he sees around him. Which ofcourse is different everywhere you go.

Hate, jealousy, envy etc these are womenly traits imo, how the Fuck can anyone be jealous of another Faarax?

[Marques]

Dp

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

i honestly think your hatred for Somalis comes from your personal disappoints in yourself, it seems that you're projecting what you hate about yourself onto others..

I agree with all his points and I'm not a disappointment. End of the day, I only care what Allah and my parents think of me but you cannot ignore the utter clusterfuck of failure that characterizes the somali community.

[1nemansquad]

if i ever get to a point where I'm feeling myself so much so that i think 98% of the wider Somali community are a failure, that is the day i need to seriously check myself..

[Niya]

Murax, maybe hatred is a strong word, could it be what your are feeling is a disappointment with the Somali community. I have seen the disrespect for blue collar work, while people won't bat their eyes at collecting welfare. Maybe what people need to be taught is that work and earning your keep is a noble thing regardless of the type of work and way better than waiting for handouts. Lack of creativity, originality and the desire to keep up with the Jones is another reason one sees people jumping on the bandwagon of anything as soon as they hear someone has been remotely successful in doing business A or B. Suddenly, you have 10,000 people doing/offering the same thing at the same location and catering to the same population.

[SahanGalbeed]

Murax, maybe hatred is a strong word, could it be what your are feeling is a disappointment with the Somali community. I have seen the disrespect for blue collar work, while people won't bat their eyes at collecting welfare. Maybe what people need to be taught is that work and earning your keep is a noble thing regardless of the type of work and way better than waiting for handouts. Lack of creativity, originality and the desire to keep up with the Jones is another reason one sees people jumping on the bandwagon of anything as soon as they hear someone has been remotely successful in doing business A or B. Suddenly, you have 10,000 people doing/offering the same thing at the same location and catering to the same population.

Absolutely , cleaning up after another can indeed be a noble job

[Sophisticate]

Murax sorry to hear that.

I admire the inward confidence displayed by Somalis, if this was combined with the rigors of hard work, they would be a force to be reckoned with. Inflated self-esteem almost feels uniquely Somali. I attribute this to the fact that they never came from a society with rigid social distinctions/hierarchies like most of the world. With few exceptions Somalis are on equal footing with each other, whether they own one camel or hundreds (the former monetary system) it's the same to them. Rather the archetypal Somali thinks he's better than other Somalis and all other ethnic groups. In fact, every man seems to think he is king, as quoted by colonial explorers. I do not hate this. I wish to preserve this. I wish it was bottled and given to the Somali youth as a kind of succor. They are suffering from lowered morale. It needs lifting.

I know its not the true nature of the Somalis to be acquiescent and kowtow. It's just the ego can get the better of them. It has an overpowering need for validation and needs to be fuelled with praise - a scarcity is Somali society. The problem you see is the ego will do anything to get its fix even if has to tear down others, defraud or claim credentials and accomplishments that are not earned. This is maladaptive, however the alternative is to be underappreciated, unnoticed and ignored. That can hurt, even a Somali. People actually have a greater dislike for being rejected than they do for death. The problem is our people are not collectively inculcated with the valuation for 100% effort in all human activities. Dare I say, Somalis are not the only one's to scoon and scuff at the high paying blue collar apprenticeships such as, electrical, welding and plumbing. Asians in general do not like these professions for some reason. They are also highly dominated by Europeans (mostly Irish, Italian and Portuguese). These folks also have heavily controlled trade unions in the US.

I'll say this because its true my mother has bachelors in business administration from the US and my father has a Master of Science in Geodetic Engineering from Russia. He got into some heat for not finishing a PhD and working in Iraq instead in the 70s, but never will he call himself a doctor. I've also noticed that it's gotten so bad that people with credentials are sometimes criticized by Somalis for not having them or their hard work is minimized, especially if someone doesn't like them. I think that's what you call xasidnimo. I would never pull down a fellow Somali for doing well, even if I'm not a fan of them. I wasn't raised like the 90% statistic you indicated.

[Estarix]

In the past hard work was highly valued and somali men took great pride in earning their paycheck. But since the explosion of the civil war these values have been lost. Somali values really took a hit after the civil war, what a calamity that was, huh. By the way sometimes this is made worse by the environment or system, for example in Scandinavia there's job discrimination and welfare state.
But whilst this behaviour is prominent everywhere you go, i wouldn't say 90% of Somalis are afflicted by it. That's you certainly exaggerating. Personally, if i feel anything it's disappointment and sometimes agitation and anger, very rarely hate.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

I don't feel anger, I just feel a sense of huge disappointment. Because I genuinely believe that Somalis can reach the stars with the right attitude, I may be completely wrong but I think it's true. I don't know what happened during the civil war bet every semblence of decency, pride and work ethic completely vanished from Somalis.

Just a few months back, two kids I knew got into Oxford and Cambridge to study Physics and Medicine respectively. One of them worked in the local Tesco another worked for the city council and were studying part-time. Another kid I know sells crack on the corner of the street despite getting a scholarship to go to Private school - which would automatically guarantee Oxbridge placement in the future. WTF? He was given a golden ticket and he decided to rip it up.

[QuantumSatis]

Must we step on ourselves when we are down hard and need all the help we can get to heal ourselves and work for our progress starting with us individuals? Critical look at what is wrong is necessary but declaring the totality of our society as nothing but disappointment hurts a bit man. We are good people in bad times. Look to our history and present good members of our society. If you have fathers living now and working for you, or worked for you to raise you up to an adulthood, mothers who gave up everything to cook and clean for you, then condemning our society relentlessly on public forums only adds to the misery.

Stop being negative kids.

[Murax]

1nemansquad,

Perhaps You think I'm coming from a self righteous, holier than thou perspective but I'm not. Neither am I praising Myself in any fashion as I'm nowhere near where I want to be as far as life goals. At the end of the day whether I'm one of the perpetrators of these complexes or not as a Somali more or less I'm swimming in the same 'shyt' for lack of a better word. I was born in the USA and I can try to run away from this if I want but I won't at the end of the day I am what My Dad is and that's a Somali. In the State I lived I observed Somalis, Vietnamese, Philipinos, Latinos, Afghanis, Pakistanis arrive the same time as the Somalis and suffice it to say they have run circles around us in every facet. Somalis are on a fast track to becoming the new African Americans. I was raised in a very straight forward tell it like it is household so don't expect me to pull punches When I'm discussing My people's ills.


Niya,

Yea the lack of blue collar attitude and looking down on the way certain people make a living was one of the most fundamental flaws I noticed and when compared to Whites, Latinos, Asians I just could not find any parallel. You also brought up another great point as far as instead of investing, helping further along successful Somali businesses or at least coming up with a new idea We go for the crab mentality attitude of simply copying existing businesses which leaves our entrepreneurship very redundant and overlapping.


LiquidHydrogen,

For your own mental sanity I can understand why You won't be dissapointed However sometimes You have to wake up and smell the coffee, We are who we are and whether We are part of the problem or not We have to own it to some degree.


YummyMummy,

I have seen these traits in Arabs, Afghanis, even other groups but its nowhere near as pronounced. With Somalis its at a psychotic level.

sophisticate,


Very compelling points You made. For starters I do agree that to go the complete opposite of having pride and dignity is a scary prospect. Its not about stifling that too much but simply letting our accomplishments start to warrant that kind of pride and now have it be so misplaced as it is now. The point that you made about Your Parents really even reminds Me of something else. How many times do You see Somalis legitimate accomplishments minimized as 'War Waxaas Waxne Maaha Simple waaye"