Xumaanta Qofka Dhintey - If we don't talk about it how will we learn from it?

[BlackVelvet]

There has to be a limit. If someone did something wrong or something that caused hurt, pain or loss then their actions should be spoken about. Particularly if they were people in a position of power.

You don't become a saint by dying. A criminal remains a criminal, a murder remains a murderer and you definitely do not stop being a transvestite just because you died (only adding this part because it inspired the thread, Salool not attacking you walaaley).

This "dadka dhintey ma la caayo" goes too far and at times leads to a complete fabrication and rewriting of the person's legacy which focuses on only the positive aspects. That's short changing the entire Somali community in the long run.


Take the Sayid (Mad Mullah) for example. The man was absolutely not a saint, yes he fought the British and he deserves a medal for that but you also have to remember, talk about, teach and show respect to the very many innocent Somali people he killed. You can't erase that part of history because you don't like how it sounds, that's how you make it okay to be a murderer just as long as you also kill Somali enemies. That's how you allow history to repeat itself à la Shabab.

This aspect of our culture needs some serious moderation.

[Khalid Ali]

blackvelvet preach on sister those are good ethics Cayda sideeda ba ma fiicna qof dhintay iyo qof nool baa.

[Cherine]

[BlackVelvet]

Loooooool@Xumnaanta

Typo

That's not a rude word is it

[Tanker]

There has to be a limit. If someone did something wrong or something that caused hurt, pain or loss then their actions should be spoken about. Particularly if they were people in a position of power.

You don't become a saint by dying. A criminal remains a criminal, a murder remains a murderer and you definitely do not stop being a transvestite just because you died (only adding this part because it inspired the thread, Salool not attacking you walaaley).

This "dadka dhintey ma la caayo" goes too far and at times leads to a complete fabrication and rewriting of the person's legacy which focuses on only the positive aspects. That's short changing the entire Somali community in the long run.


Take the Sayid (Mad Mullah) for example. The man was absolutely not a saint, yes he fought the British and he deserves a medal for that but you also have to remember, talk about, teach and show respect to the very many innocent Somali people he killed. You can't erase that part of history because you don't like how it sounds, that's how you make it okay to be a murderer just as long as you also kill Somali enemies. That's how you allow history to repeat itself à la Shabab.

This aspect of our culture needs some serious moderation.

Speak for yourself the Zayid was a hero for any self respecting Somali we aren't colonial servants maybe you want to be that but not me

[Cherine]

No it isn't BV...i thought it was your deplorable Somali at work here

[Jeffo]

This is the truth.

A tranny can die with the peace of mind that an army of strangers will down play all that they did in their life. Wishing damnation on them is harsh but to not discuss what brought about their death especially a lifestyle of filth?

I'm glad we're friends now.

[SummerRain]

How about not commenting on the dead period simply because one is more concerned with their own sins and ending?

[BlackVelvet]

How about not commenting on the dead period simply because one is more concerned with their own sins and ending?

There are some deceased people you have no reason to talk about. Then there are others that are part of history whether you like it or not. For those people, when their stories are told and even taught, you have to be honest about them and what they did. Otherwise you are lying to the generations of Somalis that follow, cursing them to a never ending cycle of negatives they never had the opportunity to learn from.

This is particularly so with heads of state, politicians and like I said generally speaking people in positions in power. The current people in those positions need to know that history will remember them just as they were. No one is going to gloss over all the messed up things they did to Somalis when they die. Their true legacy will remain so they must tread with care.

I am not saying talking about and remembering their ills will be an automatic save for the next generation but not doing it is an automatic fail.

[GAMES]

Its the Internet, people would say things that they would normally not say under the same circumstances. Don't let it get to you or upset, because it would just drive you crazy.

[Lancer]

I agree people here and in the real world expect others to swallow their clan narattive and when you point out the truth they're like oh brother that isn't good, you shouldn't speak ill of the dead. You either say everything bad and good about the person or you keep your mouth shut and stop this one sided glorified narrative just because they died.

[BlackVelvet]

Somali history books need to be objective and Somali people too

[Libix]

BV there has to be balance. No point in airing the ills of the individual and leaving out the good. What about wanaaga qofka dhintay?

[BlackVelvet]

BV there has to be balance. No point in airing the ills of the individual and leaving out the good. What about wanaaga qofka dhintay?

You are absolutely right, it has to be the truth and in that truth is good and bad. My point was lying about the person is not okay, writing and fabricating their legacy is not okay.

I'm not talking about regular people, for those people it is up to their family to remember them and it is comforting to remember the good. However when that person puts themselves in a position of power then it's not just their families that will remember them, history will too.

[SummerRain]

How about not commenting on the dead period simply because one is more concerned with their own sins and ending?

There are some deceased people you have no reason to talk about. Then there are others that are part of history whether you like it or not. For those people, when their stories are told and even taught, you have to be honest about them and what they did. Otherwise you are lying to the generations of Somalis that follow, cursing them to a never ending cycle of negatives they never had the opportunity to learn from.

This is particularly so with heads of state, politicians and like I said generally speaking people in positions in power. The current people in those positions need to know that history will remember them just as they were. No one is going to gloss over all the messed up things they did to Somalis when they die. Their true legacy will remain so they must tread with care.

I am not saying talking about and remembering their ills will be an automatic save for the next generation but not doing it is an automatic fail.

You're expecting the narrative to be unbiased and nothing but the raw truth. You're demanding too much ina Adeer
I do agree with you lakin there will always a nebulous distinction between the truth and biased narration on the positions people take on the death. There will be those who would go to extreme lengths and come up with justifications for the most evil beings and their legacy.