Itrah pls come in.

[JamalAddow]

Please expound on how Somalis are 60% Nilotic. And are we closer to the Masaai than the Habeshas due to the Nilotic mixture we have?

[Itrah]

Somalis are not mixed with modern Nilotes, but with ancient Nilotes. When the Cushites (who were originally more Caucasoid and Egyptian-like) went South they encountered Nilo-Saharans in North Sudan and mixed with them, creating modern-day Horn African Cushites.

Habeshas also have this Nilo-Saharan ancestry. Both Habash and Somalis are closer to Maasai/Samburu than than to Arabs.

[JamalAddow]

Yh but Habeshas, due to their proximity, have mixed with Semites for the past 3000 years, some of their bloodline has actually become more middle-eastern than African infact. While we and other Cushite/Nilote mutts like Masaai stayed pure, meaning overall we have more Nilotic blood in us percentage wise than the Habeshas.

[Itrah]

Yh but Habeshas, due to their proximity, have mixed with Semites for the past 3000 years, some of their bloodline has actually become more middle-eastern than African infact. While we and other Cushites?Nilotes like Masaai stayed pure, meaning overall we have more Nilotic blood in us percentage wise.

The Habash are not that mixed. They only have about 10% more Middle Eastern ancestry than Somalis. Overall, the Habash are very similar to Somalis from a continental perspective.

PS. Maasai are not true/classic Nilotes. Ancestrally they are in the main South Cushites who got colonized by Dinka-like people (real Nilotes) and adopted their customs.

[Estarix]

Somalis are not mixed with modern Nilotes, but with ancient Nilotes. When the Cushites (who were originally more Caucasoid and Egyptian-like) went South they encountered Nilo-Saharans in North Sudan and mixed with them, creating modern-day Horn African Cushites.

Habeshas also have this Nilo-Saharan ancestry. Both Habash and Somalis are closer to Maasai/Samburu than than to Arabs.

From what i learned the habesha mixed with the nilotes [edit: omotic] and then afterwards received up to 20% more Eurasian admixture. Somalis except for small bits of Euroasian admixture are unchanged (you can tell because we have med-cacausian admixture which the Southern Cushites dont have) from the proto East Africans. Whilst the Anuak are mixed up to 10%-20% west African, shouldnt we turn towards other sahrans such as Chadic speakers to locate the original East Africans? also how about the Gumuz, arent they a best fit?

[JamalAddow]

From what i learned the habesha mixed with the nilotes and then afterwards received up to 20% more Eurasian admixture. Somalis except for small bits of Euroasian admixture are unchanged (you can tell because we have med-cacausian admixture which the Southern Cushites dont have) from the proto East Africans. Whilst the Anuak are mixed up to 10%-20% west African, shouldnt we turn towards other sahrans such as Chadic speakers to locate the original East Africans? also how about the Gumuz, arent they a best fit?

So we came after the Punt incident with Hatsheput?

[Estarix]

Proto East Africans Cushites lived somewhere in south of the blue nile, the group that would later become somali expanded from north into Djibouti/Somaliland. This event ofcourse occured several thousand years ago.

[Itrah]

From what i learned the habesha mixed with the nilotes and then afterwards received up to 20% more Eurasian admixture. Somalis except for small bits of Euroasian admixture are unchanged (you can tell because we have med-cacausian admixture which the Southern Cushites dont have) from the proto East Africans. Whilst the Anuak are mixed up to 10%-20% west African, shouldnt we turn towards other sahrans such as Chadic speakers to locate the original East Africans? also how about the Gumuz, arent they a best fit?

Nope. Chadics are even more West African than the South Sudanese. They already tested the Bulala in Chad and the Hausa in Northern Nigeria and they are simply not good examples of Nilo-Saharans.

The Gumuz are probably the purest Nilotes, but they seem to have a slight hunter-gather (Hadza-like element) that the South Sudanese don't have.

[Estarix]

According to the k8 runs the Gumuz have around 6% euroasian admxiture and 10% west African, weird becuase this is the first time ive seen them test for Euroasian. But still this is evidence they are not much different than their nilotic cousins.

[Itrah]

According to the k8 runs the Gumuz have around 6% euroasian admxiture and 10% west African, weird becuase this is the first time ive seen them test for Euroasian. But still this is evidence they are not much different than their nilotic cousins.

This analysis is better:

They have 0% Eurasian ancestry when there is an Nilo-Saharan specific and Omitic specific cluster.

[zumaale]

We do not all have a common paternal ancestry and the million dollar questions is, which paternal ancestral group came first. E-V32 and associated halogroups or T haplogroup carriers? Did they descend together from North Africa after T haplogroup carriers made their way to North Africa from West Asia? Itrah and Estarix your input would be appreciated.

[Estarix]

Arent the omotic mixed though, how can they be used for reference?

[JamalAddow]

Waryaada, could you tell us more about our Cushitic side, where they came from. I know there was a Cushitic group in Iraq during the time of Ancient Mesopotomia. Are they our distant cousins?

When we moved back to Africa, we settled south of blue Nile and mixed with the Nilotes there, and then we moved to Somalia? When was this?

Thanks in advance.

[Itrah]

Arent the omotic mixed though, how can they be used for reference?

It is quite complex, but it looks like the Gumuz are actually mixed with the hunter-gatherer element of the Omotic cluster and not the Neolithic Afro-Asiatic side. Look at the purest Hadza sample at K=7 (HADZA - END09), that one also gets a high Omotic score.

[Estarix]

Waryaada, could you tell us more about our Cushitic side, where they came from. I know there was a Cushitic group in Iraq during the time of Ancient Mesopotomia. Are they our distant cousins?

When we moved back to Africa, we settled south of blue Nile and mixed with the Nilotes there, and then we moved to Somalia? When was this?

Thanks in advance.

Cushitic is a mixed race group, they are peripheral to both the Nubians/Nilotes and Egyptians whom are their progenitors. They first came to being somewhere around Upper Egypt or Northern Sudan. Mesopotamia or the Levant do not come into the equation.