southeren somali politics and diplomacy superior to reer wagooyi

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I said many times over the year’s reer wagooyiga politics is naïve compared to the Machiavellians ruthless politics of the south.

Reer wagooyigi stick to 1 script while the southerners have 100 scripts available with 100 lying politicians.
Reer wagoyi politicians are idelogocial while the southerners are pragmatic and shrewd.
Somalilanders are new to the art of politics, it’s not their culture. Southerners have advanced political mind, because in the hold days politics was a matter of life and death and diplomacy was core to southern tribal identity.

In wagooyi there is no tradition of politics and diplomacy because there are few clans.
Reer wagooyi have to import everything when it comes to politics while southerens turn liberal western democracy into a somali art form and socialism in a unrecognisable scientific islamic socialism..loool.
Western diplomats who are well versed in politics lose the plot once they get introduced to somali politics because its fast, violate machiavellian and traitorous but nobody cries because everybody excepts the rules, in somali politics there is no cheating because cheating is considered a tactic.

Imagen sharif sakin in Somaliland, he would have caused havoc there.

Southerners are more dangerous without a gun then with a gun.
Somali have perfected the art of talking to international.
Ethiopiankii ba qata bila tagan, because Somalis changed every 30 minutes
The golden rule in Somalia is play the game and don`t complain meeshaan affirmative action ma jiro.

Wallahi am proud to be from the souh, it exciting place its worse than house of cards.

Kenyatigi ba xata laga wallay, southern politicians have corrupted and changed kenya politics with their money, we have figured the historical competition between Kenyan tribes.
Somali seji ba la baray the tactic of boqol coop iyo boqol shaati la shir imooy, now Kenyan sejus are in all Kenyan political parties while pursuing the same interest.

somalilanders would take raxanwayn maskiinimo as face value and daarood hawiye animosity as real.

They say southern Somalis practise Italian politics, just read historical literature, Italian administrators in the south used to be confused, “khalaf iyo jalaf bastardo!….looooooool, wa markay fahmi wayeen

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[sahal80]

Siyaasad mataalo waqooyiga

They r ruled by a british-trained old school people

Have no connections with the arab world or africa and the communist/radical countries such as iran

When it comes to yemen, they r inclined to cadan-some butcher of aden old stuff- while eritria has trained the houths on behalf of iran and has kept the military aid for itself

You see now they were negotiating with the govt as beesha dhexe in order to reach some deal

You got now all the northern somalis being part of this!

23 years...they could have had the capital like the southren yemenis r doing now

I heard that cigaal has once suggested this and he met opposition among his crew

They could have made waqooyi lobby and equation in the southren politics as they got 29 mps+33 dir, instead they closed the doors on them!!

[skywalker25]

When you have not had a functioning government of any type for 20 odd years and claim that its superior to the Somaliland's government which has functioned all those years, is wishful dreams.

Your understanding of governing or politics can be compared to monkeys, and even then they would look superior....

[waraabe251]

Siyaasad mataalo waqooyiga

They r ruled by a british-trained old school people

Have no connections with the arab world or africa and the communist/radical countries such as iran

When it comes to yemen, they r inclined to cadan-some butcher of aden old stuff- while eritria has trained the houths on behalf of iran and has kept the military aid for itself

You see now they were negotiating with the govt as beesha dhexe in order to reach some deal

You got now all the northern somalis being part of this!

23 years...they could have had the capital like the southren yemenis r doing now

I heard that cigaal has once suggested this and he met opposition among his crew

Deluded doesn't even cover you. You can't compare waqooyi to south politics. They have very different objectives the north and to a lesser extent puntland have an objective of modernisation, development and self sufficiency, the south Is more of status quo reliance on others approach. For example no offense to southerns but I have yet to hear a big project they carried out by themselves without outside help, the Italians build muqdisho the only economicly viable spot in south, now turkey is rebuilding it. Reer burco and Reer ceerigabo are funding the biggest somali road project with the help of diaspora and local government. These projects are over all of Somaliland funded by locals, businesses and diaspora, this will probably never happened in somalia.

Secondly you use 4.5 system with only two qabiils who make 50% of the country holding all the positions. In Somaliland a minority qabiil was the president for the longest time by democratic election. Not even comparable

[sahal80]

Waraabe

I'm talking about the lack of strategy in SL!

You can take example for south sudan, its not developed but they had good strategy towards khartoum and africa

Devolopment is one thing and politics r another thing

Mogadishu has raisied within 4 years since the removal of al shabaab(2011), not every thing was built by foreigners- though this is according to bilateral relations- also the big southren companies who were operating in the north r back plus the diaspora.

[GenkinMaru]

So thats what supremacy looks like, and here I though the south is synonymous with complete and utter failure. Well thank you for setting that straight. The word delusionali doesn't cut it anymore in describing you people. We'll have to come up with a new word!

[skywalker25]

Sahal has the worlds worst job. His forced to sell the worlds most failed state as something its not.

We might be unrecognised but we have not failed as a state. We are a young democracy and our leaders are elected and our forces held accountable

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Yet Somaliland has peace and a stable government and you are an African Union colony in 2015? Explain that.

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Waraabe

I'm talking about the lack of strategy in SL!

You can take example for south sudan, its not developed but they had good strategy towards khartoum and africa

Devolopment is one thing and politics r another thing

Mogadishu has raisied within 4 years since the removal of al shabaab(2011), not every thing was built by foreigners- though this is according to bilateral relations- also the big southren companies who were operating in the north r back plus the diaspora.

sahal there is no point arguing with these people because everything is emotional (even this sentence will offend them)
these guys had the chance to learn from the British practically but did not , they have this basic tribal understand that has not progressed unlike the south, infect the southern have learned greatly from the British, a guy like tarzan has more British practical experience then siilanyo who might have studied British ways but never practically engaged in it.

Somalilanders import stuff but never actually know how to practically apply it, the southern import it and change it to a certain way that it become part of the political culture as self-evident.

There are more somali politicians we come from the English speaking world then entire somaliland political elite yet; even these southern politicians understand that copying is not originality.

Somaliland and sudan were both of the british empire to compare the political culture of sudan with Somaliland is like comparing yemen with America.

Southern politicians are pragmatic and our southern culture synthesizes good with the good.
We share more with southern England then northern england and somaliland shares more political culture similarities with northern england, were somalilanders originaly settled, Liverpool shefield and wales.


somaliland has intuitive, reactionary and emotional political culture, while the southern have utilitarian political culture.
Look southern politicians have learned from the civil war and that is you need impartial bureaucracy and non-partisan institutions and there should be fair play when it comes to institutions, there only problem is that there is no equitable dividends in the politic they have not developed that but the south is more egalitarian then Somaliland

Everybody in snet knew once Mogadishu gets peace it would race head of everybody and we see that even with al shabab still around

Wallahi you can say anything you want but the south is more welcoming place then north and more open and industrious and that’s why everybody is running to there.

The south has moved away from nationalism yet up north they are just beginning to institute nationalistic ideology in 21s century, which means nationalism appeals to them while the south is developing a more sophisticated international ideology (Ethiopia and kenya have become closer to Somalia)

The only people that can ruin southern progress is the daarood states because they have some politicians that share Somaliland political culture ( the daarood reer badiyah are hyper sectarian and regressive)
The south is like Germany, we all know that Germany i alwayss the dominant power in Europe.

[Typhoon]

Sahal has the worlds worst job. His forced to sell the worlds most failed state as something its not.

We might be unrecognised but we have not failed as a state. We are a young democracy and our leaders are elected and our forces held accountable

Yet Somaliland has peace and a stable government and you are an African Union colony in 2015? Explain that.

your honour, I rest my case
tells us why your political culture is better without getting all emotional and calling us african colony.

[Rambie]

Because as an African colony, your politics it's obviously the worst

[original dervish]

Most of what you've said is rubbish....southern England/northern England?
The only part that made sense was that Somaliland missed the boat.

Now the secessionists have backed themselves into a corner......they have nowhere to turn.
The southerners will grind them down politically.....as they hold all the cards.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Now the secessionists have backed themselves into a corner......they have nowhere to turn.
The southerners will grind them down politically.....as they hold all the cards.

I don't know how any human being can be born with the levels of cuqdad and hatred you have inside of you. I can only assume, therefore, that you were not born with it but developed it over time. An Isaaq person must have done something really bad to you. I apologise if that is the case. But it's time to move on.