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My ideal Somalia
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:12 pm
by tmac
I was day dreaming earlier on the train, and this is the type of Somalia I want to live in.
1. Freedom of speech - that includes freedom to insult or offend people. Yes that includes religion.
2. Freedom of religion - Religious minorities and atheists have a right to live freely in society
3. Protection of gays - Anti gay crimes will be considered hate crimes
4. Legalise marijuana and tax it.
5. Leaglise prostitution, otherwise it will create an underground world full of pimps & violence.
6. No draft in the military. You sign up for it if you want.
7. The only crimes punishable with jail sentences would be those that infringe on the rights of others (murder, rape, assault, fraud etc). This could include selling drugs to minors, but certainly not doing drugs, growing them, or synthesising them for personal use.
8. Separation of church and state. Religion should not be considered when passing laws.
9. Science would be at the root of all policy. The only debate that would take place about the validity of things like global warming would be within the scientific community. We the people could vote on policy around scientific the findings.
10. Universal healthcare. Funded by the tax payer.
11. Universal free education. Funded by the taxpayer.
12. Natural resources that the country depends upon for survival such as oil would be nationalised
13. Welfare safety net.
14. No death penalty.
15. Strict gun control. (looking at Japan as an example)
Re: My ideal Somalia
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:15 pm
by AgentOfChaos
Go back to bed, you're sleep-typing again.
Re: My ideal Somalia
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:18 pm
by GAMES
Well in your defense, u said u were dreaming, so I won't hold it against you.
Because you would have to be on khat, or day dreaming to come up with a list like that.
Re: My ideal Somalia
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:19 pm
by Itrah
This is basically Sweden/Norway/Netherlands/Denmark
Re: My ideal Somalia
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:23 pm
by tmac
Itrah wrote:This is basically Sweden/Norway/Netherlands/Denmark
More or less so. But these Snetters mock me for wanting a society like Denmark or Holland. Walahi dadkeena waa cajib.
Re: My ideal Somalia
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:36 pm
by jalaaludin5
tmac wrote:I was day dreaming earlier on the train, and this is the type of Somalia I want to live in.
1. Freedom of speech - that includes freedom to insult or offend people. Yes that includes religion.
within reason and not like the danish and french did
2. Freedom of religion - Religious minorities and atheists have a right to live freely in society
Have no problem this
3. Protection of gays - Anti gay crimes will be considered hate crimes
homosexuality will get you the death penalty
4. Legalise marijuana and tax it.
khat...marijuana...same difference
5. Leaglise prostitution, otherwise it will create an underground world full of pimps & violence.
legalise and it and let it be known as...dhilooyin xishodbadan 
6. No draft in the military. You sign up for it if you want.
7. The only crimes punishable with jail sentences would be those that infringe on the rights of others (murder, rape, assault, fraud etc). This could include selling drugs to minors, but certainly not doing drugs, growing them, or synthesizing them for personal use.
8. Separation of church and state. Religion should not be considered when passing laws.
Its muslim country so religion has to be first concidered. But I'll choose carefully who to put in charge in such position
9. Science would be at the root of all policy. The only debate that would take place about the validity of things like global warming would be within the scientific community. We the people could vote on policy around scientific the findings.
10. Universal healthcare. Funded by the tax payer.
11. Universal free education. Funded by the taxpayer.
12. Natural resources that the country depends upon for survival such as oil would be nationalised
13. Welfare safety net.
14. No death penalty.
15. Strict gun control. (looking at Japan as an example)
Islam is the religion of the people and there should be given very careful consideration.
Re: My ideal Somalia
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:39 pm
by PLATINUUM
Op...thats everybody's ideal somalia. But we will never get to see that in this life time.
Re: My ideal Somalia
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:41 pm
by tmac
PLATINUUM wrote:Op...thats everybody's ideal somalia. But we will never get to see that in this life time.
You wont believe the opposition I will get on this thread, especially on the religion part.
Re: My ideal Somalia
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:44 pm
by tmac
jalaaludin5 wrote:tmac wrote:I was day dreaming earlier on the train, and this is the type of Somalia I want to live in.
1. Freedom of speech - that includes freedom to insult or offend people. Yes that includes religion.
within reason and not like the danish and french did
2. Freedom of religion - Religious minorities and atheists have a right to live freely in society
Have no problem this
3. Protection of gays - Anti gay crimes will be considered hate crimes
homosexuality will get you the death penalty
4. Legalise marijuana and tax it.
khat...marijuana...same difference
5. Leaglise prostitution, otherwise it will create an underground world full of pimps & violence.
legalise and it and let it be known as...dhilooyin xishodbadan
6. No draft in the military. You sign up for it if you want.
7. The only crimes punishable with jail sentences would be those that infringe on the rights of others (murder, rape, assault, fraud etc). This could include selling drugs to minors, but certainly not doing drugs, growing them, or synthesizing them for personal use.
8. Separation of church and state. Religion should not be considered when passing laws.
Its muslim country so religion has to be first concidered. But I'll choose carefully who to put in charge in such position
9. Science would be at the root of all policy. The only debate that would take place about the validity of things like global warming would be within the scientific community. We the people could vote on policy around scientific the findings.
10. Universal healthcare. Funded by the tax payer.
11. Universal free education. Funded by the taxpayer.
12. Natural resources that the country depends upon for survival such as oil would be nationalised
13. Welfare safety net.
14. No death penalty.
15. Strict gun control. (looking at Japan as an example)
Islam is the religion of the people and there should be given very careful consideration.
Religion should be private. Keep it out of government, justice system, schools and other learning institutions. If you want to have Islamic schools and Universities, by all means create private ones. But public learning institutions and the government should have religion interjected to.
Re: My ideal Somalia
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:56 pm
by jalaaludin5
How private?
Something that is simply confined to your house and mosque?
I believe that Islam is a complete comprehensive system and can play crucial role in society.
Even when you say separation of religion and the state there can never be a complete separation in a Muslim country. Never.
What about dhaqankeena where does it fit in your dream-nation?
Re: My ideal Somalia
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:00 pm
by XimanJaale
I like some of your points. Though majority of them are merely dreams and not realistic. Seeing how hard-core Muslims Somalis are, the best type of politics and system we should adopt is the one Iran has. It will be more pragmatic for us.
Re: My ideal Somalia
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:10 pm
by three6mafia
Protection of gays? ? Please explain yourself. I can't comprehend why you would support gays. Legaloze prositition.are you even muslim? Stop trolling
I do agree with having a secular state. I honestly beleive religion is holding us back. Maybe not religion but perhaps the whole arabization thing somalia is going through.
Re: My ideal Somalia
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:11 pm
by SolidCamel
The whole concept of freedom is flawed sxb. We all have our limits, every society does, including the west. It's simply a eutopic idea that isn't realistic. People who want freedom of everything aren't aware of their own assumptions/definitions of freedom. It will always reflect what the society at large wants. For ex. If you want freedom to insult religion, then sure, that's easy for you to say as someone who isn't religious, whereas the vast majority of Somalis are (I'm religious yet don't care what ppl say about Islam, I'm not insecure).
On the whole though I like the list, just that you have to take into account the ppl more. I'm a fan of yours bro.
Re: My ideal Somalia
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:15 pm
by tmac
XimanJaale wrote:I like some of your points. Though majority of them are merely dreams and not realistic. Seeing how hard-core Muslims Somalis are, the best type of politics and system we should adopt is the one Iran has. It will be more pragmatic for us.
I was hoping more for like a Turkey style nation. Majority Muslim but not overly religious. Somalis werent very religious pre-1990. We just became uber conservatives after the war. So a Turkey like nation is realistic imo.
Re: My ideal Somalia
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:16 pm
by tmac
three6mafia wrote:Protection of gays? ? Please explain yourself. I can't comprehend why you would support gays. Legaloze prositition.are you even muslim? Stop trolling
I do agree with having a secular state. I honestly beleive religion is holding us back. Maybe not religion but perhaps the whole arabization thing somalia is going through.
I just look at what is efficient and effective. Netherlands have legalised prostitution and marijuana, and to my knowledge they are still a flourishing country.
If gays are citizens of Somalia they deserve equal protection under the law. Thats just how it is.