nusairi bashar al asad is articulate and strategically oriented

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the nusairi are the most secretive and higly inteligent people in the middel east (they are on par with jews)
the arabs got noting on the nusairis, these people have well developed survival mindset.
the nusairis are worthy enemy they should be respected

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stupid arabs have accepted the narrative that nusairi are shia.
the world has twisted views, they think the shia- sunni conflict in iraq is the same as syria.

the shia don`t even except nusairis as shia (the nusairis have more in common with pagans then muslims or jews, you can`t even consider them monotheistic)

[incognito1]

tatically these people are geniuses, i mean the fake mujaahid war on syria has failed so spectacularly. that news from syria is now focused on teen volunteer sex slaves, and what the khawarij eat for dinner . i don't know if i like asad but danmet do i respect the man.

[sahal80]

Eaglehawk

Alawites are persian people even al asad family is new to syria, his great great grandfather is called al waxsh but they changed it to al asad, he came from iran so that is one reason why they r aligned with iran

The other reason is that they have some pre-islamic persian believes such as nawruz, they also worship salman al farisi

They have some christian believes such as ciid al fusx/the easter and maybe they believe in chrismas too

Syrian tv celiberates chrismas not bc of the christian minority but bc its an alawite practice too!

Christian syria and alawites r allied

The reason they r in the power has some to do with france bc as minority they were pro-occupation so they were made the gerals and the the police officers

Some of their officers have joined hizpul path who was founded by a christian man

Hafiz was made the defense minister to deal with the alawite dominated army but instead he used them to reach the power!

There were before him 5 path sunni presidents and no one has stayed more than a year but hafiz did due to the alawite presence in the army

Nowadays all the officers r alawites but they have the support of 10 million path sunis who work in the govt and have some fears of being targeted after the collapse of the regime, so the war has some ideological elements

They r considered shia bc they r not just pro-ali they also worship him and see him as the true prophet though its not the same as other shia

Shia don't see the zaydia of yemen as part of them yet they r using them just like in syria

Their domination has some thing to do with france and iran 100% nothing has to do with them being smarter

"At the core of Alawite belief is a divine triad, comprising three aspects of the one God. These aspects or emanations appear cyclically in human form throughout history. The last emanations of the divine triad, according to Alawite belief, were as Ali, Muhammad and Salman the Persian. Alawites were historically persecuted for these beliefs by the Sunni Muslim rulers of the area.

The establishment of the French Mandate of Syria marked a turning point in Alawi history. It gave the French the power to recruit Syrian civilians into their armed forces for an indefinite period and created exclusive areas for minorities, including an Alawite State. The Alawite State was later dismantled, but the Alawites continued to be a significant part of the Syrian army."

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tatically these people are geniuses, i mean the fake mujaahid war on syria has failed so spectacularly. that news from syria is now focused on teen volunteer sex slaves, and what the khawarij eat for dinner . i don't know if i like asad but danmet do i respect the man.

bashar al asad has found a willing ally in isis

The neo khawanist like isis have a strategy called "the managment of savagery revised edition 2015”
isis doesn`t want peace, they want permanent enemies and perpetual state of war.

isis is not here to remake the politics of Syria, it’s here to remake society

you can never understand Neo-khawarij if you don`t understand that; war is the best means to engineer a new society.

bashar asad is the best friend that isis can have and they will never over-throw him, because they derive their legitimacy from his rule.

islamist caused the entire Syrian revolution into a theatre of war and turned it into a bloodbath, they killed soldiers and civilians in order to create a schism between the ruling elite and masses.

The same tactic has been used in Somalia during indacade infamous quote of praying in addis abab and 9/11 attack (was an act of provocation inorder to get the American in afganistan)

The biggest trick that akwaanist ever pulled was against ghadafi, because the people initially killing the masses were akwaanist dressed in milletery uniforms and their leaders were known to intelligence services (ghadaffi was right when he said that he was fighting al quada)

Few things are at play in the Middle East
1- Resurrection of safavid Persian empire (this realy irkes the arabs more than zionist jews)

2- Arab oil depletion

3- American radicalisation of the Islamic world (read my Arnold Toynbee thread)

4- End of petroldollar and the balkanisation of the arab world(based on the work of jewish orientalist bernard lewis, Neocon and military strategist for the pentagon lieutenant-Colonel Ralph Peters )

5- The destruction of memory in the middeleast (shock doctrine)

6- Move away from Persian gulf oil to east Africa oil reserves (control of indian ocean is now a American and European national security priority)

7- 30 years’ war in the middle east has just it will destroy the wealth and the masses of the middeleast

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sahal i am well versed in the hsitory of nusairi (their is a reason I don`t call them alwite because there is a legitimite shia alawites living in syria and turkey)

the nusairi are tricksters and deceptive, they hate islam more then most hateful jew, christian, atheist and hindu

read this and you would like jews more then these people (NSA, if you lot are reading this, I don`t hate jews I believe the holocaust necessitated certain priorities of the jewish people)
http://www.danielpipes.org/191/the-alaw ... r-in-syria

[theyuusuf143]

Rebels born and thrive in chaos. Who ever is new to power is always harsh. i believe ISIS is the ultimate winner of this war in the middle east. I also believe alshababab will soon align with ISIS !

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Rebels born and thrive in chaos. Who ever is new to power is always harsh. i believe ISIS is the ultimate winner of this war in the middle east. I also believe alshababab will soon align with ISIS !

define win?

Do you considerer hobbesian Bellum omnium contra omnes,"the war of all against all" as a win?

Isis we never be a power all it does it undermine societies defences in terms of state geopolitical security.
there has never been a khawarij victory or success ever....EVER!

[theyuusuf143]

if any one is fighting against khawarij Oman could never existed as a country. this is a war between the real muslims and and those who hate the true form of sharia law. groups like ISIS and alshabab are the true picture of islam and we are not good Muslims at all. any Muslim man who accepts the domination of infidels in the holly land is weak muslim "inalaha yuxubu muslim alqawi" god loves strong believer than weak believer. these are the men who will ultimately rule the world. its in the quran that Muslims will face difficult times and that is exactly what we are watching today. infidels alliance forces killing Muslims right in front of us.

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if any one is fighting against khawarij Oman could never existed as a country. this is a war between the real muslims and and those who hate the true form of sharia law. groups like ISIS and alshabab are the true picture of islam and we are not good Muslims at all. any Muslim man who accepts the domination of infidels in the holly land is weak muslim "inalaha yuxubu muslim alqawi" god loves strong believer than weak believer. these are the men who will ultimately rule the world. its in the quran that Muslims will face difficult times and that is exactly what we are watching today. infidels alliance forces killing Muslims right in front of us.

do know what khawarij characteristics are? look no further then your statement and your active support for somaliland.
your rhetoric doest match your action, that is quintessentially khawarij characteristics
theyuusuf143, you are ignorant and unread. You are driven by emotion and quest for wordily glory, you view islam in terms of base material philosophy and nationalistic(ummah) narrative.

I don`t have time to explain to you, the profound similarity between protestant Christianity, Zionism, all kinds of western ism`s and Neo-Kharijites(islamist) of our time.

You properly don`t even know the difference between islam,Islamist, islamic and muslim; the answer of that question lies in your understand of epistemology and the difference between Knowledge by acquaintance and Knowledge by Description.

The best I can do for you is provide you with some literature to enlighten you.

the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

The most dangerous sect in Islam are the Kharijites (al-khawarij). They have existed since the very early period of Islam and they will continue to cause strife in the Muslim nation until the end of time when they will join forces with the False Messiah (dajjal). We must be aware of their ideology and characteristics in order to protect ourselves from unwittingly supporting their destructive behavior.

The Kharijites earned their name (from the root kh-ra-ja meaning “to go out”) because they exited Islam and the Muslim community due to their heretical innovations. They will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, meaning it will not enter their hearts and they will not understand it.

Abu Sa’eed Al-Khudri reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

يَخْرُجُ نَاسٌ مِنْ قِبَلِ الْمَشْرِقِ وَيَقْرَءُونَ الْقُرْآنَ لَا يُجَاوِزُ تَرَاقِيَهُمْ يَمْرُقُونَ مِنْ الدِّينِ كَمَا يَمْرُقُ السَّهْمُ مِنْ الرَّمِيَّةِ ثُمَّ لَا يَعُودُونَ فِيهِ حَتَّى يَعُودَ السَّهْمُ إِلَى فُوقِهِ

There will come a people from the east who recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats. They will pass through the religion just as an arrow pierces its target and they will not return to it just as the arrow does not return to the bow.

Source: Sahih Bukhari 7123, Grade: Sahih

The Kharijite ideology is based upon the following evil tenets:

Declaring Muslims to be unbelievers.
Rejecting lawful obedience to the rulers.
Justifying violence against Muslims and innocent people.
The correct Islamic belief is that no Muslim can become an unbeliever due to his sins alone.

Imam At-Tahawi states:

وَلَا نُكَفِّرُ أَحَدًا مِنْ أَهْلِ الْقِبْلَةِ بِذَنْبٍ مَا لَمْ يَسْتَحِلَّهُ وَلَا نَقُولُ لَا يَضُرُّ مَعَ الْإِيمَانِ ذَنْبٌ لِمَنْ عَمِلَهُ

We do not excommunicate anyone who prays toward Mecca because of their sins as long as he does not consider them lawful, and we do not say sins do not harm the faith of those who commit them.

Source: Aqeedah At-Tahawi

A Muslim must explicitly disavow Islam in order to be properly considered an unbeliever.

Imam At-Tahawi states:

وَلَا يَخْرُجُ الْعَبْدُ مِنَ الْإِيمَانِ إِلَّا بِجُحُودِ مَا أَدْخَلَهُ فِيهِ

A person does not leave faith except by disavowing what brought him into it.

Source: Aqeedah At-Tahawi

In contrast, the Kharijites charge other Muslims with unbelief due to their sins or perceived sins in order to justify their merciless and criminal behavior towards them.

Ibn Taymiyyah writes:

وَالْخَوَارِجُ هُمْ أَوَّلُ مَنْ كَفَّرَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ يُكَفِّرُونَ بِالذُّنُوبِ ، وَيُكَفِّرُونَ مَنْ خَالَفَهُمْ فِي بِدْعَتِهِمْ وَيَسْتَحِلُّونَ دَمَهُ وَمَالَهُ وَهَذِهِ حَالُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ يَبْتَدِعُونَ بِدْعَةً وَيُكَفِّرُونَ مَنْ خَالَفَهُمْ فِيهَا وَأَهْلُ السُّنَّةِ وَالْجَمَاعَةِ يَتَّبِعُونَ الْكِتَابَ وَالسُّنَّةَ وَيُطِيعُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ الْحَقَّ وَيَرْحَمُونَ الْخَلْقَ

The Kharijite sect was the first to declare Muslims to be unbelievers because of their sins. They charged as unbelievers whoever disagreed with their innovations and they made lawful the spilling of blood and the taking of wealth. This is the condition of the people of innovation, that they invent some religious innovation and then they excommunicate whoever disagrees with them concerning it. Rather, the people of the Sunnah and the community follow the Book and the Sunnah and they obey Allah and His Messenger and follow the truth. They have mercy upon the creation.

Source: Majmu’ Al-Fatawa 1/278

True Muslims have mercy upon the entire creation, including unbelievers and idolaters, but the Kharaijites have no mercy for those outside their group. They declare other Muslims to be unbelievers by misinterpreting and misapplying the verses of the Quran.

Al-Bukhari reported: Ibn Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, considered the Kharijites to be the worst of Allah’s creation and he said:

إِنَّهُمْ انْطَلَقُوا إِلَى آيَاتٍ نَزَلَتْ فِي الْكُفَّارِ فَجَعَلُوهَا عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ

Indeed, they take verses that were revealed about unbelievers and use them against the believers.

Source: Sahih Bukhari 6531, Grade: Sahih

In the early period of Islam, they declared Ali ibn Abi Talib to be an unbeliever when he intended to reconcile with Mu’awiyah.

Ubaidullah ibn Abu Rafi reported: The Kharijites came out against Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, and they said:

لَا حُكْمَ إِلَّا لِلَّهِ

There is no rule but for Allah. (12:40)

Ali said:

كَلِمَةُ حَقٍّ أُرِيدَ بِهَا بَاطِلٌ

A word of truth by which is intended falsehood.

Source: Sahih Muslim 1066, Grade: Sahih

The original Kharijites misused the verse “there is no rule but for Allah,” (12:40) by not properly distinguishing between matters upon which Allah has definitively ruled and matters left open to interpretation, consultation, and human decision-making. Ali ibn Abi Talib decisively refuted them with the Quran.

Ibn Hajar reported: The Kharijites indicted Ali and they said:

انْسَلَخْتَ مِنْ قَمِيصٍ أَلْبَسَكَهُ اللَّهُ وَمِنِ اسْمٍ سَمَّاكَ اللَّهُ بِهِ ثُمَّ حَكَّمْتَ الرِّجَالَ فِي دِينِ اللَّهِ وَلَا حُكْمَ إِلَّا لِلَّهِ

You have replaced the authority Allah has given you and the name with which He named you. Then, you judged with the judgment of men in the religion of Allah while ‘there is no rule but for Allah.’ (12:40)

When Ali heard this, he gathered the people and he called for the greatest scripture (mushaf) and he started striking it with his hand and saying:

أَيُّهَا الْمُصْحَفُ حَدِّثِ النَّاسَ

O you scripture, speak to the people!

They said, “It is not a person. It is only ink and paper. We are speaking about what is narrated from it.” Ali said:

كِتَابُ اللَّهِ بَيْنِي وَبَيْنَ هَؤُلَاءِ يَقُولُ اللَّهُ فِي امْرَأَةِ رَجُلٍ وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ شِقَاقَ بَيْنِهِمَا فَابْعَثُوا الْآيَةَ وَأُمَّةُ مُحَمَّدٍ أَعْظَمُ مِنِ امْرَأَةِ رَجُلٍ وَنَقَمُوا عَلَيَّ أَنْ كَاتَبْتُ مُعَاوِيَةَ وَقَدْ كَاتَبَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ سُهَيْلَ بْنَ عَمْرٍو وَلَقَدْ كَانَ لَكُمْ فِي رَسُولِ اللَّهِ أُسْوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ

The Book of Allah is between myself and these people. Allah said regarding the woman and man: If you fear dissension between the two, send an arbitrator from his people… (4:35), and the nation of Muhammad is greater than the affair of a woman and a man. They have taken vengeance upon me because I have written to Mu’awiyah and yet the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, had written to Suhail ibn Amr and: You certainly have in the Messenger of Allah an excellent example. (33:21)

Source: Fath ul-Bari from Sunan Al-Bayhaqi 16230, Grade: Sahih

The Kharijites believe their opinions regarding leadership, government, politics, and the Sharia are the only valid opinions in Islam and whoever disagrees with them becomes an unbeliever. However, the truth is that much of these matters are left open to interpretation and consultation among the Muslims.

In fact, the Prophet commanded us to distinguish between the rule of Allah and the rule of people and not to claim our opinions are the rulings of Allah.

Buraida reported: When the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, would appoint a commander over the army, he would personally enjoin him to fear Allah and to be good with the Muslims who were with him. The Prophet would say:

وَإِذَا حَاصَرْتَ أَهْلَ حِصْنٍ فَأَرَادُوكَ أَنْ تَجْعَلَ لَهُمْ ذِمَّةَ اللَّهِ وَذِمَّةَ نَبِيِّهِ فَلَا تَجْعَلْ لَهُمْ ذِمَّةَ اللَّهِ وَلَا ذِمَّةَ نَبِيِّهِ وَلَكِنْ اجْعَلْ لَهُمْ ذِمَّتَكَ وَذِمَّةَ أَصْحَابِكَ فَإِنَّكُمْ أَنْ تُخْفِرُوا ذِمَمَكُمْ وَذِمَمَ أَصْحَابِكُمْ أَهْوَنُ مِنْ أَنْ تُخْفِرُوا ذِمَّةَ اللَّهِ وَذِمَّةَ رَسُولِهِ وَإِذَا حَاصَرْتَ أَهْلَ حِصْنٍ فَأَرَادُوكَ أَنْ تُنْزِلَهُمْ عَلَى حُكْمِ اللَّهِ فَلَا تُنْزِلْهُمْ عَلَى حُكْمِ اللَّهِ وَلَكِنْ أَنْزِلْهُمْ عَلَى حُكْمِكَ فَإِنَّكَ لَا تَدْرِي أَتُصِيبُ حُكْمَ اللَّهِ فِيهِمْ أَمْ لَا

When you besiege the people of a fortress and they appeal to you for protection in the name of Allah and His Prophet, do not give them protection in the name of Allah and His Prophet but rather give them protection in the name of you and your companions. Verily, for you to violate the protection of yourself and your companions is a lesser sin than to violate the protection of Allah and His Messenger. When you besiege the people of a fortress and they appeal for you to bring them out according to the rule of Allah, do not bring them our according to the rule of Allah but rather bring them out according to your ruling. Verily, you do not know if you will judge with the ruling of Allah concerning them or not.

Source: Sahih Muslim 1731, Grade: Sahih

Thus, Muslims must distinguish between the rule of Allah and the rule of people. Yet the Kharijites, who make no such distinction, will charge other Muslims with unbelief who disagree with their views. In fact, the Kharijites do not simply declare Muslims to be unbelievers in a theoretical way, but rather they call for violent rebellion against entire Muslim societies.

Regarding Muslim rulers, the correct Islamic belief is that we must obey them in all lawful matters. We should only disobey them if they command us to commit sins and we may not call for a violent overthrow of their governments as long as they allow the prayer.

Umm Salamah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

سَتَكُونُ أُمَرَاءُ فَتَعْرِفُونَ وَتُنْكِرُونَ فَمَنْ عَرَفَ بَرِئَ وَمَنْ أَنْكَرَ سَلِمَ وَلَكِنْ مَنْ رَضِيَ وَتَابَعَ

There will be rulers from whom you will see both goodness and corruption. One who recognizes their evil and hates it will maintain his innocence, but one who is pleased with it and follows them will be sinful.

It was said, “Shall we not fight them?” The Prophet said:

لَا مَا صَلَّوْا

No, as long as they pray.

Source: Sahih Muslim 1854, Grade: Sahih

As long as Muslims are allowed to pray and practice the pillars of Islam, then there is no justification for declaring a rebellion against the rulers. In contrast, the Kharijites rebel against the ruler not to protect the religion, but rather for inexcusable worldly reasons.

Abu Hayyan reported: A man from the Kharijites came to Hasan Al-Basri and he said, “What do you say about the rebels?” Hasan said:

هم أصحاب دنيا

They are seekers of the world.

He said, “Why do you say that when one of them goes out with his spear until it breaks and he leaves his family and children?” Hasan said:

حدثني عن السلطان أيمنعك من إقامة الصلاة وإيتاء الزكاة والحج والعمرة

Tell me about the ruler. Does he prevent you from establishing prayer, giving charity, and performing the pilgrimage?

He said no. Hasan said:

فأراه إنما منعك الدنيا فقاتلته عليها

As I see it, he has only prevented you from seeking the world and you have fought him for it.

Source: Al-Basa’ir wal Dhakha’ir 1/34

In general, Muslims must work to reform societies through non-violent methods such as teaching, preaching, and charity. Violence is only a last resort in the worst case. The Kharijites, on the other hand, charge Muslim leaders with unbelief and anyone else who does not support their call for violent rebellion. In this way, they justify indiscriminate violence against entire Muslim societies.

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

مَنْ خَرَجَ مِنَ الطَّاعَةِ وَفَارَقَ الْجَمَاعَةَ فَمَاتَ مَاتَ مِيتَةً جَاهِلِيَّةً وَمَنْ قَاتَلَ تَحْتَ رَايَةٍ عُمِّيَّةٍ يَغْضَبُ لِعَصَبَةٍ أَوْ يَدْعُو إِلَى عَصَبَةٍ أَوْ يَنْصُرُ عَصَبَةً فَقُتِلَ فَقِتْلَةٌ جَاهِلِيَّةٌ وَمَنْ خَرَجَ عَلَى أُمَّتِي يَضْرِبُ بَرَّهَا وَفَاجِرَهَا وَلاَ يَتَحَاشَ مِنْ مُؤْمِنِهَا وَلاَ يَفِي لِذِي عَهْدٍ عَهْدَهُ فَلَيْسَ مِنِّي وَلَسْتُ مِنْهُ

Whoever rejects obedience to the leader and divides the community and dies will have died upon ignorance. Whoever fights under the banner of one who is blind, raging for the sake of tribalism, or calling to tribalism, or supporting tribalism, and is killed will have died upon ignorance. Whoever rebels against my nation, striking the righteous and wicked alike and sparing not even the believers and does not fulfill the pledge of security, then he has nothing to do with me and I have nothing to do with him.

Source: Sahih Muslim 1848, Grade: Sahih

This narration succinctly describes the characteristics of the Kharijites and their violent behavior. They reject lawful obedience to Muslim leaders and they fight according to their tribal zeal, meaning they are not concerned with justice for their victims. They attack both the righteous and the wicked, and they do not honor covenants of security and the protection of civilians.

In our times, you will see them target markets, bus stations, airports, and other places frequented by unarmed civilians. The purpose of such attacks is not to achieve any immediate military objectives, but rather to spread terror among the population and destabilize the government. In this way, they follow the same path as the first Kharijites in the early period of Islam.

At-Tabari reported:

فأتت الخوارج قريته فأخذوه وأخذوا ابنته فقدموا ابنته فقتلوها وزعم لي أبو الربيع السلولي أن اسم ابنته أم يزيد وأنها كانت تقول لهم يا أهل الإسلام إن أبي مصاب فلا تقتلوه وأما أنا فإنما أنا جارية والله ما أتيت فاحشة قط ولا آذيت جارة لي ولا تطلعت ولا تشرفت قط فقدموها ليقتلوها فأخذت تنادي ما ذنبي ما ذنبي ثم سقطت مغشيا عليها أو ميتة ثم قطعوها بأسيافهم

The Khawarij came to a village and they seized a man and his daughter. She said to them, “O people of Islam! Indeed, my father is an old man so do not kill him, and I am only a girl. By Allah, I have never been immoral and I have never harmed anyone.” They brought her to kill her and she kept saying, “What is my sin? What is my sin?” Then she fainted and they killed her with their swords.

Source: Tareekh At-Tabari 1512

Ibn Kathir writes:

إِذْ لَوْ قَوُوا هَؤُلَاءِ لَأَفْسَدُوا الْأَرْضَ كُلَّهَا عِرَاقًا وَشَامًا وَلَمْ يَتْرُكُوا طِفْلًا وَلَا طِفْلَةَ وَلَا رَجُلًا وَلَا امْرَأَةً لِأَنَّ النَّاسَ عِنْدَهُمْ قَدْ فَسَدُوا فَسَادًا لَا يُصْلِحُهُمْ إِلَّا الْقَتْلُ جُمْلَةً

If the Khawarij ever gained power, they would corrupt the entire earth, Iraq, and Syria. They would not leave a boy or a girl or a man or a woman, for in their view the people have become so corrupt that they cannot be reformed except by mass killing.

Source: Al-Bidayah wa Nihayah 10/584

Wherever they appear, the Kharijites cause division among the Muslims at large and even among their own groups. Whenever they form a group, it is not long before splinter groups and off-shoots appear with each one claiming to have the right to seize the Caliphate.

Wahb ibn Munabbih said:

أني قد أدركت صدر الإسلام فوالله ما كانت للخوارج جماعة قط إلا فرقها اللَّه على شر حالاتهم وما أظهر أحد منهم رأيه قط إلا ضرب اللَّه عنقه وما اجتمعت الأمة على رجل قط من الخوارج ولو أمكن اللَّه الخوارج من رأيهم لفسدت الأرض وقطعت السبل وقطع الحج من بيت اللَّه الحرام وإذا لعاد أمر الإسلام جاهلية حتى يعود الناس يستغيثون برءوس الجبال كما كانوا في الجاهلية وإذا لقام أكثر من عشرة أو عشرين رجلا ليس منهم رجل إلا وهو يدعو إلى نفسه بالخلافة ومع كل رجل منهم أكثر من عشرة آلاف يقاتل بعضهم بعضا ويشهد بعضهم على بعض بالكفر حتى يصبح الرجل المؤمن خائفا على نفسه ودينه ودمه وأهله وماله لا يدري أين يسلك أو مع من يكون

I knew the early period of Islam. By Allah, the Kharijites never had a group except that Allah caused it to split due to their evil condition. Never did one of them proclaim his opinion except that Allah caused his neck to be struck. Never did the Muslim nation unite upon a man from the Kharijites. If Allah had allowed the opinion of the Kharijites to take root, the earth would have been corrupted, the roadways would have been cut off, the Hajj pilgrimage to the sacred house of Allah would have been cut off, and the affair of Islam would have returned to ignorance until the people would seek refuge in the mountains as they had done in the time of ignorance. If there were to arise among them ten or twenty men, there would not be a man among them except that he would claim the Caliphate for himself. With each man among them would be ten thousand others, all of them fighting each other and charging each other with unbelief until even the believer would fear for himself, his religion, his life, his family, his wealth, and he would not know where to travel or with whom he should be.

Source: Ta’reekh Dimshaq 69290

Nevertheless, the Kharijites have been successful recruiting ignorant or desperate Muslims. The Prophet described them as using beautiful Islamic rhetoric and selling “foolish dreams” to the Muslim masses.

Ali ibn Abu Talib reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

يَأْتِي فِي آخِرِ الزَّمَانِ قَوْمٌ حُدَثَاءُ الْأَسْنَانِ سُفَهَاءُ الْأَحْلَامِ يَقُولُونَ مِنْ خَيْرِ قَوْلِ الْبَرِيَّةِ يَمْرُقُونَ مِنْ الْإِسْلَامِ كَمَا يَمْرُقُ السَّهْمُ مِنْ الرَّمِيَّةِ لَا يُجَاوِزُ إِيمَانُهُمْ حَنَاجِرَهُمْ

In the last days, there will be young people with foolish dreams. They will say the best of words in creation but they will pass through Islam just as an arrow passes through its game. Their faith will not go beyond their throats.

Source: Sahih Bukhari 4770, Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi

Their “foolish dreams” are their promises of an Islamic Utopia, a glorious jihad, a new Caliphate that will bring honor and strength back to the Muslims. Yet, their dreams are unrealistic and their methodologies dangerous to the very people they claim to be helping. Their understanding of faith is so shallow, superficial, and hypocritical that they cause even greater harm to Muslim community.

In another narration, the Prophet described them saying”

سَيَكُونُ فِي أُمَّتِي اخْتِلَافٌ وَفُرْقَةٌ قَوْمٌ يُحْسِنُونَ الْقِيلَ وَيُسِيئُونَ الْفِعْلَ يَقْرَءُونَ الْقُرْآنَ لَا يُجَاوِزُ تَرَاقِيَهُمْ يَمْرُقُونَ مِنْ الدِّينِ مُرُوقَ السَّهْمِ مِنْ الرَّمِيَّةِ لَا يَرْجِعُونَ حَتَّى يَرْتَدَّ عَلَى فُوقِهِ هُمْ شَرُّ الْخَلْقِ وَالْخَلِيقَةِ

There will be dissension and division in my nation and a people will come with beautiful words but evil deeds. They recite the Quran but it will not pass beyond their throats. They will leave the religion as an arrow leaves its target and they will not return until the arrows returns to its notch. They are the worst of the creation.

Source: Sunan Abu Dawud 4765, Grade: Sahih

Indeed, like their predecessors their preaching and propaganda entices people to join their cause but by their actions they are the worst of the creation, even though they recite the Quran and call to Islam. They bring forth verses of the Quran to bolster their arguments but they wield them against the objectives of Islam.

Usama ibn Zaid reported: Sa’d, may Allah be pleased with him, said:

وَأَنَا وَاللَّهِ لَا أَقْتُلُ مُسْلِمًا حَتَّى يَقْتُلَهُ ذُو الْبُطَيْنِ

By Allah, I would never kill a Muslim as this one had killed him.

A man said to him:

أَلَمْ يَقُلْ اللَّهُ وَقَاتِلُوهُمْ حَتَّى لَا تَكُونَ فِتْنَةٌ وَيَكُونَ الدِّينُ كُلُّهُ لِلَّهِ

Did not Allah say: Fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is entirely for Allah? (2:193)

Sa’d said:

قَدْ قَاتَلْنَا حَتَّى لَا تَكُونَ فِتْنَةٌ وَأَنْتَ وَأَصْحَابُكَ تُرِيدُونَ أَنْ تُقَاتِلُوا حَتَّى تَكُونُ فِتْنَةٌ

We did fight them until there was no more persecution, but you and your companions intend to fight until there is persecution.

Source: Sahih Muslim 96, Grade: Sahih

The purpose of a just war in Islam is to end persecution and to protect Muslims, yet the Kharijites use such verses to further persecute Muslims.

We will continue to see the violent call of the Kharijites appear again and again until the end of time when the False Messiah appears among them. They follow the same Satanic forces from which will emerge the greatest tribulation and suffering ever faced by humanity.

Abdullah ibn Amr reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

سَيَخْرُجُ أُنَاسٌ مِنْ أُمَّتِي مِنْ قِبَلِ الْمَشْرِقِ يَقْرَءُونَ الْقُرْآنَ لَا يُجَاوِزُ تَرَاقِيَهُمْ كُلَّمَا خَرَجَ مِنْهُمْ قَرْنٌ قُطِعَ كُلَّمَا خَرَجَ مِنْهُمْ قَرْنٌ قُطِعَ

There will emerge from the east some people from my nation who recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats. Every time a faction of them emerges it will be cut off.

The Prophet repeated this and on the tenth time he said:

كُلَّمَا خَرَجَ مِنْهُمْ قَرْنٌ قُطِعَ حَتَّى يَخْرُجَ الدَّجَّالُ فِي بَقِيَّتِهِمْ

Every time a faction of them emerges it will be cut off until the False Messiah emerges from their remnants.

Source: Musnad Ahmad 27767, Grade: Sahih

As such, in our times we are witnessing a number of conflicts between oppressive governments and rebel Kharijite forces. Muslims are stuck between the spear of the ruler and the sword of the rebel. In such cases, we must remain patient and work to reform and improve our communities through education, preaching, and charity.

Abdullah ibn Amr reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

تَكُونُ فِتْنَةٌ تَسْتَنْظِفُ الْعَرَبَ قَتْلَاهَا فِي النَّارِ اللِّسَانُ فِيهَا أَشَدُّ مِنْ وَقْعِ السَّيْفِ

There will be a tribulation that will wipe out the Arabs in which those killed on both sides are in the Hellfire. In that time the tongue will be stronger than the sword.

Source: Musnad Ahmad 6941, Grade: Sahih

If we are not careful, we might fall into the sins of either side of the conflict by legitimizing the misdeeds of an oppressive government or justifying acts of terrorism in response. We should not rush to support one or another side in such conflicts as they are tribulations (fitnah) in which the truth is unclear.

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

سَتَكُونُ فِتَنٌ الْقَاعِدُ فِيهَا خَيْرٌ مِنْ الْقَائِمِ وَالْقَائِمُ خَيْرٌ مِنْ الْمَاشِي وَالْمَاشِي فِيهَا خَيْرٌ مِنْ السَّاعِي مَنْ تَشَرَّفَ لَهَا تَسْتَشْرِفْهُ فَمَنْ وَجَدَ مَلْجَأً أَوْ مَعَاذًا فَلْيَعُذْ بِهِ

There will be tribulations during which a sitting person will be better than the one standing. The one standing will be better than the one walking. The one walking will be better than the one running. Whoever exposes himself to these tribulations will be destroyed, so whoever finds a place of protection or refuge should take shelter in it.

Source: Sahih Bukhari 6670, Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi

Rather, we must be patient, resist calls for violence, and avoid getting involved in these conflicts. If we are patient, it will not be long before Allah will give us a way out. But if we call for violence, then Allah will heap more violence upon us.

Hasan Al-Basri, may Allah have mercy on him, said:

لَوْ أَنَّ النَّاسَ إِذَا ابْتُلُوا مِنْ قِبَلِ سُلْطَانِهِمْ صَبَرُوا مَا لَبِثُوا أَنْ يُفْرَجَ عَنْهُمْ وَلَكِنَّهُمْ يَجْزَعُونَ إِلَى السَّيْفِ فَيُوَكَّلُونَ إِلَيْهِ فَوَاللَّهِ مَا جَاءُوا بِيَوْمِ خَيْرٍ قَطُّ

If the people had patience when they are being tested by their unjust ruler, it will not be long before Allah will give them a way out. However, they always rush to their swords, so they are left with their swords. By Allah, not even for a single day did they bring about any good.

Source: Tabaqat Al-Kubra 8789

Satan intends to use the alluring call of the Kharijites as a means to drag us into the Hellfire. We have to resist them by upholding the true teachings of Islam: mercy with the creation, patience with hardship, justice with our enemies. The Kharijites intend to impress us by their outward displays of faith, but inwardly they have no faith. Only by understanding true Islam in both its inward and outward teachings can we protect ourselves, our children, and our communities from their dangerous ideology.

- See more at: http://www.faithinallah.org/dangers-of- ... hlcJv.dpuf

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sahal i am well versed in the hsitory of nusairi (their is a reason I don`t call them alwite because there is a legitimite shia alawites living in syria and turkey)

the nusairi are tricksters and deceptive, they hate islam more then most hateful jew, christian, atheist and hindu

read this and you would like jews more then these people (NSA, if you lot are reading this, I don`t hate jews I believe the holocaust necessitated certain priorities of the jewish people)
http://www.danielpipes.org/191/the-alaw ... r-in-syria

good link. I stopped at salah jadid. The link states their raise to power being due to them collaborating with the french occupation.

Syria was ruled by the turkish islamic state wich was replaced by the britain and france who deceived the arabs by telling them that they will establish for them one arab state that includes falastin if they collaborate with them in ending the muslim turkish rule

At that time, the arabs were led by a hashimite family who was ruling maka, its sharif abdallah the great great grandfather of king abdallah of jordan

This man was collaborating with britain and lawrance al arab

He moved to jordan where he claimed the greater syria-jordan, syria, lebanon and falastin- plus iraq

Except falastin, all syria, iraq and jordan were ruled by this family as kings

Its the reason why some times iraq and syria would unite against jordan whenever there's a westren involvement for fear of some jordanian secret agenda towards this region

Since its independence, syria was ruled mostly by the al attasi family such as hashim al attasi

I think bashars al asads wife hails from this family or has a close ties with them, they r from homs but she was born in the uk and her father is a well-known doctor in the uk

He met her when he was studying in london university

Hashim al attasi and jamal abdinasir have united syria and egypt under the name of the united arab republic but the syrians were too naïve politically as abdihakim amir the second man in egypt became the ruler of syria!

Due to france, the army was dominated by the alawites but they couldn't rule the country directly as they were coming from a politically and culturally isolated background

For this reason they joined the secularist ba'th party led by the syrian christians

The party was depending on their officers in the army

When the party took over the power in 1963, it had a mix of sunni and alawite leaders and they suggested the sunna leading them for political reasons, these were amin hafiz as the president and salah bitar as the regional-syria- leader of the party

There were many intra-military coups

In 1966, the alawites have started conspiring against the sunna leadership so they took over the partys leadership-salah jadid- but the president of the republic was a sunni-nuradin al attasi- from the old ruling family who joined the party, however, salah has remained as the syrias strong man

hafiz al asad was made the defense minister

When he removed al attasi, he couldn't dare to put himself as a president so he stayed two years as a prime minister until he got stronger!

This is how the alawites reached the power
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nureddin_al-Atassi

As a sect yes they r considered as infidels and its true they hate islam and love the christians...some even say the west supports assad for these reasons but those green eyed of syria have a persian origins from one side and claim being alawites from the other side so they r pro-iran

But when hafiz was running syria, he was using iran

Nowadays iran rules syria directly

Isis was not just stopped by hispullah troops but they restored all the land they captured before.

[theyuusuf143]

there is no right sect, I dont know if mohamed scw was shia sunni or khawaarij. all I know is that he was just muslim. why would I brand my self ? I dont consider my self sunni shia walaa khawaaj. I am just average muslim who is not very religious, that does not mean I am on the right path, there is no way I can blame those fighting for fii sabiililaah even if they see me as bad Muslim today.

any kind of defensive muslim with vision, who does not allow to be dictated by infidels is my role model no matter if he is shia or sunni what ever. in fact I totally against any muslim vs muslim war but I dont care if isis kills all others against them, war is a war. Somaliland is my country if nationalism and love of your people is forbidden in islam why nebi maxamed scs loved makka so much his quraysh tribe and even his uncle abu talib who was not beleiver according to the sunnis although shias disagree ?

[Typhoon]

there is no right sect, I dont know if mohamed scw was shia sunni or khawaarij. all I know is that he was just muslim. why would I brand my self ? I dont consider my self sunni shia walaa khawaaj. I am just average muslim who is not very religious, that does not mean I am on the right path, there is no way I can blame those fighting for fii sabiililaah even if they see me as bad Muslim today.

any kind of defensive muslim with vision, who does not allow to be dictated by infidels is my role model no matter if he is shia or sunni what ever. in fact I totally against any muslim vs muslim war but I dont care if isis kills all others against them, war is a war. Somaliland is my country if nationalism and love of your people is forbidden in islam why nebi maxamed scs loved makka so much his quraysh tribe and even his uncle abu talib who was not beleiver according to the sunnis although shias disagree ?

jaahil ba tahay saxib

the only name that we are called besides muslim is, ahlu sunnah wal jamaac (that is what a sahabi called the people of sunnah)
if you are not ahlu sunnah wal jamaaca we don`t know what you are (divination from the majority and the consensus of the 5 madhabs)

I am the shici of ali(RA) and shici of hussein(RA) does that mean we are like the shias of iran,No!
Ali and hussein were ahlu sunnah wal jamaaca, that's why majority of sufis trace their silsilad through ali ibn abi talib (does that ring a bell... sheik ishaaq)

yusuf you are raised by liberal white school teachers that indoctrinated you with perverted hippy tolerance (you properly totalarate homosexuality)

European tolerance is: tolerating the intolerant
we are muslim, we stand firm on the haq and the haq is ahlu sunnah wal jamaaca

we say ibn siyad was a coward for killing hussein ibn ali and we praise hussein for his courage and we say; yazid was a naive but it was not his fault that hussein ibn ali got killed.
yazid was one of the people that were promised paradise due to his participation in the first attack on Constantinople

[sahal80]

Shia of today consider the alawites as astrayed shia, in the old times they use to disassociate themselves from them

Maybe for political reasons as we see the new alliance between syria, iraq, iran and yemen against the sunni world

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Tuesday, March 26, 2013

So what do Shi`ite Twelvers think of `Alawites: agaisnt the misconeptions of the Arabic and Western media
I have been troubled by the many misconceptions about `Alawites in Western and Arab media: they all assume, for example, that Hizbullah's alliance with the Asad regime is purely sectarian, thereby forgetting the old conflict (on many levels) between Shi`ites and `Alawites.  And those ill-informed writers don't seem to explain the strong past alliance between Hamas and the same Syrian regime.  So I have been discussing this with a brilliant colleague who is my unofficial academic adviser on Shi`ite religious and historical matters.  So I asked him to elaborate on the differences between Shi`ite Twelvers and `Alawites. Unfortunately, he does not want to be quoted by name although he allows me to cite:

"There is a long history to the Twelver-Alawite question. I will try to sum it up without burdening you with theological minutia.
Within the body of Imami Shiism there existed, from very early times, what we may now term – though with obvious bias – ‘moderate’ and ‘extremist’ tendencies, mostly centered on the view of the status of the Imams. The ‘moderate’ tendency managed to gain the upper hand and eliminate certain groups of the extremist tendency from the pale of Imami Shiism, thus defining ‘orthodoxy’ within Imami Shiism. The eliminated groups, usually termed ‘ghulat’, are the intellectual ancestors of the Alawites of greater Syria. We find categorical formulas denouncing them as non-believers (kuffar) in the writings of the fathers of ‘orthodox’ Twelver Shiism during its formative period in the 10-11th century (e.g. Saduq, Mufid, Murtada and Tusi….).
Things continued to be like this for a long time, especially as anti-Shii dynasties came to power in greater Syria (Ayyubids, Mamluks and then Ottomans) whereas the Shia of Mesopotamia and Persia fared better under their ruling dynasties (Ilkhanids then Safavids). The rift between the two Shia groups grew wider with time due to the lack of communication.
Towards the end of the nineteenth century, there was a ‘rediscovery’ of these forgotten Shia, i.e. the Alawites. Certain scholars in Najaf are responsible for that, probably due to some Alawites appearing in the holy city as students, after a long time of absence. From thereon, relations were revived, and correspondence between ‘orthodox’ Twelver scholars and Alawite religious scholars commenced, especially around the turn of the century (the main name from the Alawite side is Sulayman al-Ahmad, father of the renowned poet Badawi al-Jabal). Things developed further as the senior authorities in Najaf decided that they want to invest more in trying to ‘correct’ the beliefs of these forgotten Shia; the most important figure here is the Lebanese cleric Habib Aal-Ibrahim, whose progenyin Lebanon now go by the surname al-Muhajir. Thus, a new era in the Alawite-Twelver connection was inaugurated. After the Iranian revolution, and especially in the last two decades, there has been an influx of Twelver clerics into the Alawite community, spreading ‘orthodox’ Twelver teachings and practices.
From the standpoint of ‘orthodox’ Twelvers, the Alawites are Twelver Shiites who were led astray by the unfortunate circumstances of isolation and oppression for prolonged times. In a way, they view them as people who need be restored to the pale of true faith and delivered from ignorance. In this, ‘orthodox’ Twelver Shiites are ignoring the fact that Alawites are the intellectual heirs of a tradition within Shiism which is as old as the ‘orthodox’ tradition, it is neither a novelty nor a result of ignorance and isolation.
Many religiously educated Alawites protested this condescending attitude towards them. But part of the problem, I believe, has to do with the ambiguity of the Alawite representation of their creed. Probably due to oppression, a general sense of severe caution overwhelms any conversation on the matter, in addition to the unfortunate fact that many of the Alawites know not the basic points of doctrine. So whatever the majority believes and does is always open to question regarding its integrity as a reflection of what the Alawite creed dictates.
On the level of their status, this condescending attitude might have been a blessing. It is what enabled a cleric like Musa al-Sadr to judge Alawites as Muslims, on the grounds that the practices and beliefs of their masses – as far as it may be from both Sunnism and ‘orthodox’ Shiism - are due to ignorance. In that he relied on what their leading authorities asserted as their true beliefs. It is a delicate balance: technically speaking, an ‘orthodox’ Twelver jurist has to go by what the representatives of this sect tell him; if they renounce views that are the most problematic, both doctrinally (the divinity of Ali) and practically (the omission of ritual prayer and fasting), then the jurist must abide by the verdict that they are Muslims, regardless of other relatively minor objections. Having said all this, Musa al-Sadr must have been aware of the situation, and must have exploited the technicality in order to achieve political aims. If we go by the book, most ‘orthodox’ Twelver clerics would still judge the Alawites, based on the beliefs and practices of their masses, as non-believers (kuffar). 
If we want to reconstruct the theological narrative of the religious Alawites, it must be based on symmetrically biased terms. Instead of ‘extremist’ and ‘moderate’ Shiis, as used by ‘orthodox’ Twelvers, Alawites would use terms such as ‘full-fledged’ and ‘short-comers’ in reference to themselves and Twelvers, respectively.
This explains most of the story. Alawites, following their intellectual ancestors, believe that the practices of ‘orthodox’ Twelvers are too influenced by Sunni Islam; so much so that ‘orthodox’ Twelver Shīʿism has lost the distinctive character of being a shia, namely the veneration of the Imams. In underestimating the Imams’ status, ‘orthodox’ Twelvers have come short of their real religious significance. Equally condescending terms are used on the Alawite side to denote Twelvers and their ilk, such as the ‘poor’ the ‘weak’ believers. Twelvers, for Alawites, are definitely much more accepted than Sunnis, but their creed suffers serious deviations that need be fixed. Alawites and Twelvers are both far from fully accepting each other.
Whether Alawites consider themselves Muslims is a thornier question. As a matter of principle, I believe no one should be denied a religious label s/he is adopting, regardless of the person’s divergence from that label’s mainstream dictates. To address the particular case of Alawites, they do consider themselves Muslims. However, they are more keen on distancing themselves from Sunni beliefs than on asserting their Muslim identity, which leaves the impression that they repudiate Islam itself. Any assertion of theirs that seems otherwise is in fact saying that they are not Muslims if by Muslims one means Sunni Islam. Alawites, therefore, believe themselves to be the true Muslims. In this they are unlike, for example, Bahai’s who consider Islam to have become obsolete following the new call of Bahaullah and the advent of new age and religion."

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inaar anigu ilaahay kitaabkiisa iyo nebi maxamed csw intuu noola wixii lagasoo wareyey ee sal iyo raad sugan leh uunbaan diin u aqaan. wixii ka danbeeyoo dhan waa aaraa laysku raaci karo layskuna diidi karo, hadii markii nebigu csw dhintay xukunka islaamka laysku khilaafay oo shiicadu tidhi hogaanka muslinka reer nebi maxamed haloo daayo suniguna yidhaahdeen asxaabi kastaa ina hogaamin kara anigu uma jeedo qolo khaldan.

maantaba waa taas boqorada carbeed wixii shalay shiicada laga diiday ay ku dhaqmayaan ee qoyskoodu xukunka kala dhaxlayo. sheelh hebelbaa yidhi iyo waxaasi diin maaha, sheekh hebel nebina maaha ilaahna maaha waad ku raaci kartaa wixii macquul kuugu muuqda waanad ku diidi kartaa wixii aanad ku taageersanayn. anigu sheikh iyo shariif toona ma caabudo suni iyo jameecad toona ma ihi wixii xiligii nebiga dadku ahaa uunbaan ahay oo ah MUSLIM diintuna diin uun iima ahee waa nasabadayda nin walba waa jecelyajay in nasabkiisu cisi iyo sharafba yeesho oo aduunkaba u sareeyo. thats why I support muslim groups like isis or iran anoo og inaan midna ka kale jeclayn. ninkii gaal iska celiya nin dheh ninkii gaal qabsadana nimanyaal dhe !