Regarding the ludicrous claims on Hiraan (@Armaan and @Zumaale)

[IbnTaymiyyah]

1. Before one claims a land that belongs to other people legitimately one must know its history and the people who inherited the land rightfully.

Lets travel back in time first like 1100 years ago and All these tribes you see today in the south were not there in that time and then migration started from berbera and the cities around it all the way to dijbouti areas and even ethiopia places like the irir river and let me say this Hawiye at that time was nothing more then a relative of these people who started there journey and they were just Irir samaale together with Dir there blood brother from the same father. these people were called the ''sagaalka samaale'' and no hawiye was not the leader of that group but just a member(not in large numbers as they are today). The leaders came from the Xamare Samaale tribes and the leader who started this blessed migration was called Ibrahim balcaade(ra). he gathered these tribes including meyle Samaale, and most of the other samaales except for 75% of dir and Karanle who remained behind.

So in this case Armaan and Zumaale was part of this blessed migration and long story short they captured these lands from Yibir(central somalia), some sections of oromo(around galagaduud areas), in Mogadishu some persian people who settled there, and from Marka to kismayo was sawahili land. Mogadishu is actully a persian name and it was changed into xamar since Ibrahim balcaade was xamare samaale and balcad was named after him. He then established the Ajuraan sultanate from his household who came to rule that land around 800 years after its creation.

In these days people were religious, so they ruled with the law of god shariatul Islam. The tribes came for green land and rivers which they found and these tribes were located in different places under different principalities(tribal elders). Hawaadle(meyle) was placed in Sh.Hoose, and xarir(meyles brother from the same mother) was placed in Hiraan and hiiraans ethiopian side. When the Oromo Expansion started which at that time was a great threat to all farmers and nomads both in ethiopia and somalia finally reached to xarir samaale areas in Hiraan and in the ethiopian side and they were not in great numbers so they got unfortunetely massacred which led to the famous gaalo war because they earned the warth of the muslims who led a furious war that saw the Oromo get enslaved because normally cushitics didn't use to enslave each other but only in that one case and fortunaletely this war led the oromos to Islam as result.

Then Meyle(Hawaadle) got transfered to Hiiraan to inherit the lands of his lost brother and established there own principality.

Hiiraan was a good land for farming so what they did was bring in the makane to work on farms since the land was rich and everybody was doing that in that time like reer jowhar's shiidle.

2. Regarding the Hawiye tribes who live in Hiraan.

Irir's progeny(Dir iyo Hawiye) kept growing in numbers and just simply out numbering the other samaales and some of them are rare to find today or extinct but luckily there is Gardhere,(Degodia, Geeljecel, Garre) Meyle(Hawaadle) and few others like ajuuraan who are in serious extinct threat.

Udeejeen, cayr(from nothern Hiraan) and jejeele are hawiye and have no rights on the land of Hiraan but just guests and they know this themselves

Geeljecel have been there for a long time and have rightfully claim on there share of hiraan( in the areas they inherited and there is no discussion about that today or yesterday)

Surre falls under the same light as the hawiye tribes I mentioned above and are guests not natives of Hiraan and nor did they belong to the ancient principality. But they got cocky over 20kms of land in Hiraan and acting like they truely are the land owners of that land and willing to die for it and thats what Hawaadle won't accept. If the land was in the geeljecel area then they would have to debate that with geeljecel but this is the Hawaadle area which rightfully belongs to there forefathers and nobody wants to see somebody getting cocky over a little piece of your land.

Around 80% of Hiraan is Hawaadle's rightfully inherited land and alxamduillah under there controll today but its kinda weird and sad seeing guys like Armaan and Zumaale starting shiit over lands that never belonged to them and they are just guests but hey if they came to our elders and acted not so cocky over that little piece of land then all of this would have been avioded. Surre should humble themselves or perhaps face the consequences

[zumaale]

What did I just read? I will say this much, most Hiiraan Surres left a hundred years ago and the few families that stayed behind multiplied to form the Kabxanley and Deefow communities. There is no dispute as to ownership of that farmland. The issue is with your folk who are trying to ethnically cleanse them and fight an unjust Xaran war. I do not know what moral code you adhere to but ownership of land was never leased out by your clan as you claim. FFS, you were not even the aboriginal settlers of Hiiraan as your post indicates. So what gives you the right to use might to disposes people of lands they have farmed for generations? By your logic, all Irir Samaale in Hiiraan are on temporary visas and can be issued with deportation orders at the whim of Xawaadle.

[IbnTaymiyyah]

You may have settled there for generations ago but still the land has owners who populate the area and have been there 500 years or more. the land was inherited from gaalo so the rightfully owners were the muslims who came and got it and hiiraan was hawaadles rightfully territory for a long time and If we demand people who has no legit claims or natives of the areas to get out then it should be our right to do so but thats not why all this started and trust me there is many communites living in hiiraan and people don't harm them as they themselves don't harm people but the surre issues is totally different blocking hawadle nomad herds from river side or green lands in that area is not surres rights to do that.

Surre is acting like the legit owner of kabxanley and deefow while being over cocky and warmongers.

[original dervish]

^^^^This fellow reminds me of the Zionists whom claim the Palestinians are only temporarily "resting" on the land, and the Jews are the rightful owners.

[LobsterUnit]

I have addressed some of these claims in another thread,suffice it to say that there is no historic record of oromos being present in southern Somalia before the oromo expansion of the 16th century.hawiyes clans were already settled in large numbers around marka by the 11th century.likewise,there is no linguistic,oral or historical record of zwahilis settling in marka.the evidence points to hawiyes being present in southern Somalia during the advent of Islam or even before Islam.of course all Somalis want to claim some mythical northern descent.yibirs in central Somalia sounds like another clan tale.

[TheblueNwhite]

^^^^This fellow reminds me of the Zionists whom claim the Palestinians are only temporarily "resting" on the land, and the Jews are the rightful owners.

Adiga Laascaanood iyo meelaha kale ee la idinka xoogey Ka hadal.

You should not speak about which clan is the rightful owner of which sq meter. Worry about yours first.

[original dervish]

So if I was an Amisom Bantu getting blown nightly......I'd be allowed to comment?
Typical Neanderthal southerner.

[TheblueNwhite]

I knew your dhulo brain dead response before you even typed it.

War kuuma banaana adiga. Free yourself SiiSoco SooSoco first from the prison your neighbouring clans have put you in, then you can join in Somali fadhikudirir sessions like a free man/woman.

You are in no position to talk about any Somali clan. Tisa daryeela tukale daryeela.

[original dervish]

kufunga na kupita kwangu apples.

[TheblueNwhite]

Lol... That's what a siisoco SooSoco slave says when he lands in XAMAR.

[Estarix]

kufunga na kupita kwangu apples.

Smart of you to learn your Swahili you might just need it in a future Somalia.

[original dervish]

You gotta roll with the times.

[Xildiiid]

You gotta roll with the times.

Different times indeed.

[RoobleAlWaliid]

Southern savages still fighting over lands. If only they were intelligent enough to co-exist.

[Rabshoole]

In other words, plenty of people lost their lives for 20km of land, The shidh you hear on snet just gets funnier by the day. Allaabay is the smallest tuulo in that area, and it sits on 30+ km
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