Egypt is a paper tiger

[Typhoon]

Signs of tension between Saudi Arabia and Egypt over their policies in the Middle East have surfaced lately with an apparent squabble taking place this past Sunday during the Arab League summit at the Egyptian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh.

During the summit, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi asked for a letter written by Russian President Vladimir Putin to be read out, drawing the ire of Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal, who lashed out at its contents.
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/signs ... 1241826389

Turkey has strongly rejected the remarks of Arab League Chief Nabil el-Araby of Egypt, who claimed that Turkey was one of the countries that "interferes" in the region.

Following the end of the Arab League summit in Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt on Sunday, Araby was asked to name the foreign powers behind the chaotic environment in Arab countries. "I will answer this question indirectly," Araby said. "There is meddling by some neighbors; Israel on one side and Turkish and Iranian interference in several countries."
http://www.dailysabah.com/diplomacy/201 ... ce-remarks

Egyptians delusional grandeur about themselves and their influence
Unlike the turks, the Egyptians can`t seem to reform nor think beyond the mechanism devised by Muhammad Ali (kemalism)
Egypt has not been independent since the new Kingdom, they have only thrived in the yoke of foreign rulers or foreign patronship.

Egypt is begging saudi arabia and gulf states yet they have this condensing attitude and sense of entitlement.
The only leverage Egyptian think that they have is, switching their backside like a cheap Thai prostitute either for the russians,Saudis, american or israeli.

egyptian can`t see the value of muslim brotherhood as tool of power projection and source of influence, they can see their economic potential and the need for concrete economic reform, they are people afraid of the future.
egypt lacks leadership quality throughout the entire populace, they have educate dpopulace yet they can`t have a vision nor utilise their potencial

I think somalis should view Egyptian the same way I view them, mediocre, regressive, impolitic and imprudent.
Why would egypt pick fight with turkey because Saudi arabia said so, well gues what? Saudi arabia is about to make a deal with muslims brotherhood.

I am against muslim brotherhood and am pro el sisi, but Egyptianpower only exists only in their numerous debate shows, their power is hallow, their influence non existent and their aspiration lacks comprehensive understanding of reality.
Compare Egypt with the states they have been traditionally compared to- turkey and iran.

Gamal Mubarak really had a vision he could have been a reformist but the military junta didn`t like it.
if the economy, financial and legal instutions were reformed, the economy would grow and the military juntas budget would grow instead of rent seeking and and selling women tampons to finance their mediocre military industry


AKP and Turkish military
the milatery in turkey never had it so good like they do now under AKP, because they ge3t the funding and they don`t have to engage in dirty politics

AK party greatest political party of our time they understand power
turkeys future stealth fighter jet TAI TFX and turkish future main battle tank altay




meanwhile in in africa, begging and tyrannical rule

[Xildiiid]

They're working on that stealth fighter with the Swedish defense company SAAB, who's behind the project and SAAB is currently developing 5th generation stealth fighters for its Gripen planes. The Turks are economically involved and its going to be a great experience for their avionic engineers. The Turks are thinking long term, cid kasta wax ka faa'ideyso. The Brazilians are also involved and they recently purchased upgraded versions of the current 4th generation stealth Gripen figher and they also sent their avionic engineers.

Nonetheless the Turk are way smarter than your average Ayrab wadan. Even the Iranians are doing good despite the sanctions.

[Typhoon]

They're working on that stealth fighter with the Swedish defense company SAAB, who's behind the project and SAAB is currently developing 5th generation stealth fighters for its Gripen planes. The Turks are economically involved and its going to be a great experience for their avionic engineers. The Turks are thinking long term, cid kasta wax ka faa'ideyso. The Brazilians are also involved and they recently purchased upgraded versions of the current 4th generation stealth Gripen figher and they also sent their avionic engineers.

Nonetheless the Turk are way smarter than your average Ayrab wadan. Even the Iranians are doing good despite the sanctions.

xildiid the arabs admire sheikh maktoum as a great leader, he spends money on the knowledge of foreigners who would not transfare their technologies to him, wa iska reer badiye
he is building unsustainable city in the desert and creating a market for western manufactured goods yet he thinks desert hell can be sustained and it can compete with great world capitals with actual culture and cosmopolitan sophistication.

sheik zaiyad was visionary and tradition great arab ruler all these new guys want to be european but they don`t understand eurpean history they think they can bu templates and hire poor indians and by extension have a singapore
wallahi wa la yaba the people that compare singapore to dubai

arabs have the money but they behave like american rappers

[Xildiiid]

Indeed, they're like American rappers.

[skywalker25]

I watched this documentary once talking about the Arabs in Sandhurst sent by the rich. The British General said the whole education thing was a hoax and they let the Arab students pass with flying colours. These students gained nothing while at Sandhurst and it was directed from the upper echolons of the British government. I'm assuming this practice is common policy in most western institutions. They will go to great lengths to obstruct the transfer of knowledge so that the Arabs are never self sufficient. Makes one wonder why spending billions of pounds buying football teams and British land marks and not on building yourself great universities for fraction of that money and sucking all the knowledge out of the west. My gut feeling is the west allows the Arabs to live lavish but the money they pay for oil never really leaves them. It's reinvested in their countries....

[gurey25]

I watched this documentary once talking about the Arabs in Sandhurst sent by the rich. The British General said the whole education thing was a hoax and they let the Arab students pass with flying colours. These students gained nothing while at Sandhurst and it was directed from the upper echolons of the British government. I'm assuming this practice is common policy in most western institutions. They will go to great lengths to obstruct the transfer of knowledge so that the Arabs are never self sufficient. Makes one wonder why spending billions of pounds buying football teams and British land marks and not on building yourself great universities for fraction of that money and sucking all the knowledge out of the west. My gut feeling is the west allows the Arabs to live lavish but the money they pay for oil never really leaves them. It's reinvested in their countries....

Not really its due to arab culture, there are many eccentric arabs who excel , its the culture around them that is unsuitable to modernity.
Individually they can be brilliant as a whole ? Disaster.

This is why in millitary excersices arab units that are platoon sized ~30 men maximum and company sized ~150 men.
Perform better than NATO during exercises. im a referring to Jordan and Egypt.
This is because they push their men harder in basic training.

any higher and they start deteriorating fats in performance, there is no arab battlion sized that performs ~600+ men even adequately.
and brigades and divisions are a total disaster , even Egypt performs terribly.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Arabs are over-rated. The real power and brains in the middle-east has always been the Persians.

[gegiroor]

Egypt, hopefully, will not find peace and stability, and they shouldn't, as long as they maintain the tightening noose on the defenseless Palestinians in Gaza. Can anyone imagine Cairo - the home of Al-Azhar, the prominent center of Sunni Islam - is blockading millions of their own people who are walled in the largest open air prison in the world? While Israel attacks from the air, Egypt suffocates them. Hell to Egypt, the last functioning Muslim dynasty in Egypt has been the Mamluk dynasty. From the fall of the Mamluk dynasty as a result of the invasion led by Selim the Grim of Ottomans in 1516 AD to the present, Egypt has been going downhill with no hope of recovering from it.

[Typhoon]

I watched this documentary once talking about the Arabs in Sandhurst sent by the rich. The British General said the whole education thing was a hoax and they let the Arab students pass with flying colours. These students gained nothing while at Sandhurst and it was directed from the upper echolons of the British government. I'm assuming this practice is common policy in most western institutions. They will go to great lengths to obstruct the transfer of knowledge so that the Arabs are never self sufficient. Makes one wonder why spending billions of pounds buying football teams and British land marks and not on building yourself great universities for fraction of that money and sucking all the knowledge out of the west. My gut feeling is the west allows the Arabs to live lavish but the money they pay for oil never really leaves them. It's reinvested in their countries....

did you know when arabs are send to west piont they are not allowed to to certain classes because its restricted for foreigner but south east asians go in and out

skywalker, the arabs are not allowed to purchases or acquire assets with influence, like media, technology even if they buy stock they have limited voting rights like alwaleed in citi bank

did you know arabs made more money during 70s oil embargo then they did in recent oil boom, where did all that money go?certainly they did not build dubai in 70s and 80s

the truth is the american financial power is build upon arab money, the petrol is what keeps the dollar alive and the dollar is what american finance and economy runs on and its the basis of american global dominance because it gives them disproportionate and unfair advantage.
america has reservce currency set during bretton woods meeting and revised when nixon took america of the gold standard.
the nixon system is what defines current security arrangement in the middle east (Roosevelt deal with the saudis was to undermine British imperialism and usher in american notion of empire of liberty.
The amerians where advocating for decolonisation, there was no economic underpinning, even when oil was discovered, that changed under kissinger and he gave the arabs a deal they could not refuse

as for Egyptians and non petrol half states, believe you me skywalker, somalidan walaan are more dynamic then these people, we are not dogmatic, if shit doest`t work somalis move on.
somali are not totalitarian or illiberal economically.
our problem is we dislike and distrust the state once we get over our phobia, i believe we can outperform these arabs, even our qabyalad is not serious, arabs use deen to undermine eatch other, our terrorist wa iska dacad

the only people that I think could compete with turks, Iranians and westerns are, iraqi and Syrians, lakin kuwaas jambalkii hawiye ba lo tuuray, kalay bal bililaqo, unuka leh iyo boob ka celi

[Ben Dover]

Arabs to Persians are as Somalis to Ethiopians

[Typhoon]

I watched this documentary once talking about the Arabs in Sandhurst sent by the rich. The British General said the whole education thing was a hoax and they let the Arab students pass with flying colours. These students gained nothing while at Sandhurst and it was directed from the upper echolons of the British government. I'm assuming this practice is common policy in most western institutions. They will go to great lengths to obstruct the transfer of knowledge so that the Arabs are never self sufficient. Makes one wonder why spending billions of pounds buying football teams and British land marks and not on building yourself great universities for fraction of that money and sucking all the knowledge out of the west. My gut feeling is the west allows the Arabs to live lavish but the money they pay for oil never really leaves them. It's reinvested in their countries....

Not really its due to arab culture, there are many eccentric arabs who excel , its the culture around them that is unsuitable to modernity.
Individually they can be brilliant as a whole ? Disaster.

This is why in millitary excersices arab units that are platoon sized ~30 men maximum and company sized ~150 men.
Perform better than NATO during exercises. im a referring to Jordan and Egypt.
This is because they push their men harder in basic training.

any higher and they start deteriorating fats in performance, there is no arab battlion sized that performs ~600+ men even adequately.
and brigades and divisions are a total disaster , even Egypt performs terribly.

Interesting

it makes sense, alquade pursues small operational cells and even the Syrian rebels as soon as they get bigger their command structure and discipline disintegrates.
iam not saying alquade intend is based on that analysis in mind, but it seems arabs work good in small group and they respect authority and keep the cohesion and discipline
In syria foreign fighters in small units are more effective then large group of arab natives.

I believe the north African are better in groups but they are foked up colonist I recently read a new York times magazine article about a author and the literary post-colonial tradition, wallahi north Africa is a mess up place (the French realy messed them up

[Rambie]

Wallahi Arabs can be a superpower if
They got their shit together instead of backstabbing each other
and play like a pet for the gallo

I can't believe how anyone could accept the Petrodollar system
This system literally allows the US to export its inflation to the world by
adjusting the value of dollar as they please

Arab wa khasaro

Russia is taking on this system by selling its oil in
Other currencies or goods (exchange), its interesting to see
How the U.S would respond to that.

[gegiroor]

Arabs to Persians are as Somalis to Ethiopians

Without the West helping the Ethiopians and keeping the Somalis in tatters, they would would never challenged us. Truth needs to be told.

[sahal80]

egypt is not happy about the new saudi kings sunni strategy to confront iran wich includes turkey not because of the turkishs hostile postion from al sisi and its support for the muslim brotherhood party but also turkeys military importance besides pakistan wich will limit egypts military role in the arab countries!

so turkey is threat to egypt and its importance

turkey will have military bases in qatar followed by other gulf countries

always the gulf region was under the egyptian protection since the mamalik era

read about the mamalik vs portugues wars and how they secured the indian ocean and the holy land

again the gulf region was brought under the egypt of mohamed ali along side with northeast africa and the greater syria

egyptisns consider all their foreign rulers including cleopatra as a nationl heritage just like the french consider the normans a nstional heritage though having viking origins


this egyptian importance is behind the arab league being formed in egypt in 1945

irans power is not useful for the muslim civilazation

imam shafi was right when he said the shia will be the first to cooperate with the kufar at their wars with muslims

the new saudi position from turkey is a right strategy

savavid of iran has cooperated with venice against the ottoman empire

it seems like egypt is too secular and wants to keep the situation under arab nstionslism from one side fearing the sunni card may increase the political islams presence and the al shocoubiyiin-cajm-involving in the arab decision wich will bring to end egypts demographic and military importance in the arab world

since the change, egypt is too weak economically and politically and has lost its leading role in the arab world for small countries like qatar, uae besides saudi arabia so I think at the end al sisi will be forced to reconcile with turkey on its conditions.

[Ben Dover]

Arabs to Persians are as Somalis to Ethiopians

Without the West helping the Ethiopians and keeping the Somalis in tatters, they would would never challenged us. Truth needs to be told.

Clear example of how delusional most of our people are.