I have a youtube channel...

[ZubeirAwal]

I share it with two brothers from the masjid, we aim to clarify and present the true creed of the Ahlul Sunnah, which was the creed established by Abu Mansur Al Maturidi, Abu Hasan Al Ash'ari and Imam At-Tahawi (RA) to them all. We also aim to expose the antropromorphic beliefs of the modern salafi/wahabi sect that derive their aqeedah from Kitab At-Tawheed by Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdal Wahhab, and Aqeedatul Waasityya by Ibn Taymiyya, we already have uploaded our first video around a week ago, check it out.

[jalaaludin5]

Good to know your not on the DNA Somali purity palava.
-
-
-

Keep up the good work and may Allah reward you for your effort brother ZubeirAwal

[BlackVelvet]

Sounds conversational which is good. Maybe if the narrator had a script to read from, it would help him to minimise the fillers (uh, um, etc.)


That makes a huge difference to how audiences perceive authenticity

[jalaaludin5]

Sounds conversational which is good. Maybe if the narrator had a script to read from, it would help him to minimise the fillers (uh, um, etc.)


That makes a huge difference to how audiences perceive authenticity

I hear there is a relationship youtube channel by BV in the pipeline. Catering for young xalimos and young faraxs.

Any truth In that.?

[BlackVelvet]

war stop the qarxis!

[jalaaludin5]

Oops.

[ZubeirAwal]

He makes several references that can be found easily online @ BV, such as a online free copy of the 9th century book, The Creed of At-Tahawi.

[Basra-]

I have a Youtube page too, Wanna see it?

[Otherbrother]

You sound confused. The Matrudi creed is far from the Ashari creed. Which is far from the Aqeedah of Ahl-us-Sunnah. The aqeedah of Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal.

And if you think any of them are interchangeable your fooling yourself. The biggest refuters of Matrudi Aqeedah have been Ashari Scholars.

And Modern day Asharia are nothing like those of the past.


So my question to you, is are you Asharia or Matruudi? Because they are nothing alike.

[LeJusticier]

[abdikarim86]

You sound confused. The Matrudi creed is far from the Ashari creed. Which is far from the Aqeedah of Ahl-us-Sunnah. The aqeedah of Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal.

And if you think any of them are interchangeable your fooling yourself. The biggest refuters of Matrudi Aqeedah have been Ashari Scholars.
And Modern day Asharia are nothing like those of the past.
So my question to you, is are you Asharia or Matruudi? Because they are nothing alike.

The vast majority of theologians, jurists, and the general public have been Maaturiidi/Ashcari in the past 1000 years.
This is still the case today despite immense Saudi propaganda
As far as we lay people are concerned Maaturiidi and Ashcari are the same. The minor differences and
their arguments for them are the preserve of the culemaa.

Despite what the takfiri types claim, Imaam Maaturidii and Imaam Ashcari affirmed the theology
of Imam Hanbal they however used reason to justify and "prove" the correctness of Imam Hanbal's position.

By claiming Maaturiidi and Ashcari theologians are not Ahl sunnah you are in one swoop
claiming more than 90% of the Culema from the past till today are not Sunni.

[LeJusticier]

You sound confused. The Matrudi creed is far from the Ashari creed. Which is far from the Aqeedah of Ahl-us-Sunnah. The aqeedah of Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal.

And if you think any of them are interchangeable your fooling yourself. The biggest refuters of Matrudi Aqeedah have been Ashari Scholars.
And Modern day Asharia are nothing like those of the past.
So my question to you, is are you Asharia or Matruudi? Because they are nothing alike.

The vast majority of theologians, jurists, and the general public have been Maaturiidi/Ashcari in the past 1000 years.
This is still the case today despite immense Saudi propaganda
As far as we lay people are concerned Maaturiidi and Ashcari are the same. The minor differences and
their arguments for them are the preserve of the culemaa.

By claiming Maaturiidi and Ashcari theologians are not Ahl sunnah you are in one swoop
claiming more than 90% of the Culema from the past till today are not Sunni.

I am about to subscrribe Zuber's chanel insha allah

[Otherbrother]

You sound confused. The Matrudi creed is far from the Ashari creed. Which is far from the Aqeedah of Ahl-us-Sunnah. The aqeedah of Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal.

And if you think any of them are interchangeable your fooling yourself. The biggest refuters of Matrudi Aqeedah have been Ashari Scholars.
And Modern day Asharia are nothing like those of the past.
So my question to you, is are you Asharia or Matruudi? Because they are nothing alike.

The vast majority of theologians, jurists, and the general public have been Maaturiidi/Ashcari in the past 1000 years.
This is still the case today despite immense Saudi propaganda
As far as we lay people are concerned Maaturiidi and Ashcari are the same. The minor differences and
their arguments for them are the preserve of the culemaa.

Despite what the takfiri types claim, Imaam Maaturidii and Imaam Ashcari affirmed the theology
of Imam Hanbal they however used reason to justify and "prove" the correctness of Imam Hanbal's position.

By claiming Maaturiidi and Ashcari theologians are not Ahl sunnah you are in one swoop
claiming more than 90% of the Culema from the past till today are not Sunni.

Are they from Ahl us sunnah in the wider sense, yes, since they are not Shia and will be called Sunni. Are they from Ahl us Sunnah in the lesser sense, Allahu Alam. I ain't a scholar, to bring them in or out.


But bro, the Asharia are of many, the earlier and the later. Same with the Matrudi.

I mean, imam Tahawi States, teh aqeedah of the muslims and consensus is that the Quran is NOT created. Yet many Asharia and Matruudi's follow the Jahmia (Jahm bin safwan) and Muatazilah and say it is created.


Another example, is Imam at tahawi and the 'salafis' say that Imaan is speech and in the heart. While the Matruudi's will say, like the Murjia, that imaan is only in the heart and it doesnt go up or down, only taqwa goes up and down.


The funny thing is abdikarim86, MAJORITY of the REFUTATIONS over time of the Matruudi aqeedah, has been by scholars of the ASHAIRA. But people nowwerdays, group them together to try and fight against the 'salafi' aqeedah.

Yet the so called salafi/wahabi aqeedah has been around since the time of Imam Ahmed.

So again, which are you Zubeir, Ashari or Matruudi, because they ARE NOT interchangeable.


An no they are not the same, Ashari aqeedah has changed throughout time, let alone being the same with the more closer to philosphy, Matruudi aqeedah.

[ZubeirAwal]

Abu Hasan Al Ash'ari opposed to Mu'tazila in their belief that the Qur'an was created,

(1)He held that God had eternal attributes such as knowledge, sight, speech, and that it was by
these that He was knowing, seeing, speaking, whereas the Mu'tazila said that God had no
attributes distinct from His essence.

(t) The Mu'tazila said that qur'anic expressions, such as God's hand and face, must be
interpreted to mean 'grace', 'essence' and so on. Al-Ash'ari, whilst agreeing that nothing
corporeal was meant, held that they were real attributes whose precise nature was unknown.
He took God's sitting on the throne in a similar way.

(3) Against the view of the Mu'tazila that the qur'an was created, al-Ash'ari maintained that it
was God's speech, an eternal attribute, and therefore uncreated.

(4) In opposition to the view of the Mu'tazila that God could not literally be seen, since that
would imply that He is corporeal and limited, al-Ash'ari held that the vision of God in the world
to come is a reality, though we cannot understand the manner of it.

(5) In contrast to the emphasis of the Mu'tazila on the reality of choice in human activity,
al-Ash'ari insisted on God's omnipotence; everything, good and evil, is willed by God, and He
creates the acts of men by creating in men the power to do each act. (The doctrine of
'acquisition' or kasb [q.v.], which was in later times characteristic of the Ash'ariyya, is commonly
attributed to al-Ash'ari himself, but, though he was familiar with the concept, he does not
appear to have held the doctrine himself; cf. JRAS, 1943, t46 f.).

(6) While the Mu'tazila with their doctrine of al-manzila bayn al-manzilatayn held that any Muslim
guilty of a serious sin was neither believer nor unbeliever, al-Ash'ari insisted that he remained a
believer, but was liable to punishment in the Fire.

(7) Al-Ash'ari maintained the reality of various eschatological features, the Basin, the Bridge, the
Balance and intercession by Muhammad, which were denied or rationally interpreted by the
Mu'tazila.


I look at Imam At-Tahawi, Abu Hasan Al Ash'ari and Abu Mansur Al Maturidi in all of the same light,
they defined the aqeedah that the giants of the Ulema followed, with the help of Allah they intellectually destroyed the Mu'tazila and the Mujassima/Jahmis who were not on the path, our Ulema of whom we derive most of our knowledge from, from the likes of:

Imam Nawawi
Al Hafidh Ibn Hajr Al Asqalaany,
Ibn Hajr Al Haytami
Imam Bayhaqi
Imam Al Qurtubi
Imam Ghazali
Imam Jalaluddin Suyuti
Imam Al Juwayni
Imam Abu Talib Al Makki
Taqi-ad Din Al-Subki
Imam Abu Bakr Baqillani
Abu Hayyan Tawhidi

Is it not sufficient for someone opposed to the Ash'aris to say, "Allah have mercy on them, they used reasoning (ijtihad) in figuratively interpreting the divine attributes, which it would have been fitter for them not to do"; instead of accusing them of deviance and misguidance, or displaying anger towards whoever considers them to be of the Sunni Community? If Imams Nawawi, 'Asqalani, Qurtubi, Baqillani, al-Fakhr al-Din al-Razi, Haytami, Zakariyyah Ansari, and many others were not among the most brilliant scholars and illustrious geniuses, or of the Sunni Community, then who are the Sunnis?

I am in the process of reading the Aqeedah of Imam Tahawi, as for which creed I choose, they are three rays emitting from the same light, all three are upon haqq, all three affirm what is in the Qur'an, that Allah cannot be imagined and so to liken him to the human form is a form of idolatory even if you say " Allah is a form but unlike other forms" as Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal states, that will still render the said individual a kafir, because the essence of shirk is to ascribe a image unto God, and Allah has shown who he has favoured by making the stars of this tradition defend that which the three imams of the aqeedah came with, the same cannot be said for the modern day Salafi, who takes aqeedah not from the Salaf but from Ibn Taymiyya, who famously said in a khutba in Damascus " Allahu yanzil ka nuzuli hada" " Allah descends just the way I descend from this minbar" , Wallahi whoever believes and defend this, may Allah guide you.

[abdikarim86]

You sound confused. The Matrudi creed is far from the Ashari creed. Which is far from the Aqeedah of Ahl-us-Sunnah. The aqeedah of Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal.

And if you think any of them are interchangeable your fooling yourself. The biggest refuters of Matrudi Aqeedah have been Ashari Scholars.
And Modern day Asharia are nothing like those of the past.
So my question to you, is are you Asharia or Matruudi? Because they are nothing alike.

The vast majority of theologians, jurists, and the general public have been Maaturiidi/Ashcari in the past 1000 years.
This is still the case today despite immense Saudi propaganda
As far as we lay people are concerned Maaturiidi and Ashcari are the same. The minor differences and
their arguments for them are the preserve of the culemaa.

Despite what the takfiri types claim, Imaam Maaturidii and Imaam Ashcari affirmed the theology
of Imam Hanbal they however used reason to justify and "prove" the correctness of Imam Hanbal's position.

By claiming Maaturiidi and Ashcari theologians are not Ahl sunnah you are in one swoop
claiming more than 90% of the Culema from the past till today are not Sunni.

Are they from Ahl us sunnah in the wider sense, yes, since they are not Shia and will be called Sunni. Are they from Ahl us Sunnah in the lesser sense, Allahu Alam. I ain't a scholar, to bring them in or out.

I don't know what you mean by this so I''ll leave it unanswered

But bro, the Asharia are of many, the earlier and the later. Same with the Matrudi.

this is because they are schools of thought when it comes to theology/kalam who have/had thousands of clerics subscribing to it over the centuries, I'm sure they may disagree when it comes to minor details

I mean, imam Tahawi States, teh aqeedah of the muslims and consensus is that the Quran is NOT created. Yet many Asharia and Matruudi's follow the Jahmia (Jahm bin safwan) and Muatazilah and say it is created.
The Ashcari and Maaturiidi do NOT state the Quraan was created I think you are confusing them for the Muctazila
as pointed out by our friend Zubeir.

Another example, is Imam at tahawi and the 'salafis' say that Imaan is speech and in the heart. While the Matruudi's will say, like the Murjia, that imaan is only in the heart and it doesnt go up or down, only taqwa goes up and down.

Imaam Tahawi and Imaam Ashcari aqeedah both state that Imaam can go up and down whereas
Imaam Tahawi beleives it to be static. whether this is correct or not, it does NOT make the Maaturiidi non-Ahl Sunnah wal Jamaaca

The funny thing is abdikarim86, MAJORITY of the REFUTATIONS over time of the Matruudi aqeedah, has been by scholars of the ASHAIRA. But people nowwerdays, group them together to try and fight against the 'salafi' aqeedah.

Ulema have always refuted each other and will continue to do so till the end of time.
In the past however and today for that matter, it's been widely acknowledged that Ashcari/Tahawi and Maaturidii are the main
schools of kalaam of the Ahl Sunnah wal jamaaca. "Salaafis" on the other hand would have us believe that this is not the case

Yet the so called salafi/wahabi aqeedah has been around since the time of Imam Ahmed.

So again, which are you Zubeir, Ashari or Matruudi, because they ARE NOT interchangeable.

An no they are not the same, Ashari aqeedah has changed throughout time, let alone being the same with the more closer to philosphy, Matruudi aqeedah.