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My opinion regarding the Berbera situation..

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People let the emotion override down and let's be a little realistic, there are over 50,000 displaced Somalis in and around Hargeisa being fed and looked after by Somaliland. The sudden influx of refugees from the war on Yemen was taken care of exceptionally well by the port authorities who registered the identities of every passenger on board, they also registered their homeland in Somalia or Somaliland, and according to that detail they told them that once they recieve hospitality in Berbera they would be driven to their homelands be it Barawe, Marka or Mogadishu.

The only thing wrong I saw was that they kept them in the ship in the blistering heat of Berbera, that was inhumane and it does deserve to be condemned, other than that I do not see nothing wrong with them being returned to their homes.

To all the Isaaqs who wail like naago because we are safely returning the Konfurians to their homelands need to remember that in the late 80's more than a dozen of Isaaq men were rounded up in Jasiira beach at the early hours of dawn and were brutally massacred for merely being Isaaq, we are feeding the IDP's and not doing the same.

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Re: My opinion regarding the Berbera situation..

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ZubeirAwal wrote:People let the emotion override down and let's be a little realistic, there are over 50,000 displaced Somalis in and around Hargeisa being fed and looked after by Somaliland. The sudden influx of refugees from the war on Yemen was taken care of exceptionally well by the port authorities who registered the identities of every passenger on board, they also registered their homeland in Somalia or Somaliland, and according to that detail they told them that once they recieve hospitality in Berbera they would be driven to their homelands be it Barawe, Marka or Mogadishu.

The only thing wrong I saw was that they kept them in the ship in the blistering heat of Berbera, that was inhumane and it does deserve to be condemned, other than that I do not see nothing wrong with them being returned to their homes.

To all the Isaaqs who wail like naago because we are safely returning the Konfurians to their homelands need to remember that in the late 80's more than a dozen of Isaaq men were rounded up in Jasiira beach at the early hours of dawn and were brutally massacred for merely being Isaaq, we are feeding the IDP's and not doing the same.

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Source please. Aid from UN doesn't count.
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Warsheekh wrote:
ZubeirAwal wrote:People let the emotion override down and let's be a little realistic, there are over 50,000 displaced Somalis in and around Hargeisa being fed and looked after by Somaliland. The sudden influx of refugees from the war on Yemen was taken care of exceptionally well by the port authorities who registered the identities of every passenger on board, they also registered their homeland in Somalia or Somaliland, and according to that detail they told them that once they recieve hospitality in Berbera they would be driven to their homelands be it Barawe, Marka or Mogadishu.

The only thing wrong I saw was that they kept them in the ship in the blistering heat of Berbera, that was inhumane and it does deserve to be condemned, other than that I do not see nothing wrong with them being returned to their homes.

To all the Isaaqs who wail like naago because we are safely returning the Konfurians to their homelands need to remember that in the late 80's more than a dozen of Isaaq men were rounded up in Jasiira beach at the early hours of dawn and were brutally massacred for merely being Isaaq, we are feeding the IDP's and not doing the same.

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Source please. Aid from UN doesn't count.
And how does it not count? If we simply said "We do not wish to accomodate these IDP's on our land" they would not be fed at all.
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You do realise Barawe, Marka and Mogadishu aren't the only cities in Somalia?


Returnees are being given the funds to return to their tuulos by UNHCR


Sounds like the SLand administration thought they would get something that they haven't. It is probably to do with ictiraf. Yes so many people being dumped in your cities is never a pretty sight but the expense is taken on by the NGOs and the UN


SLand failed for this and most SLanders have distanced themselves. Yes PLanders have taken the opportunity to rub it in your faces but take it like a champ because SLanded Effed up royally


It is what it is, in a few months another region will do something stupid and attention will shift again
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Lol at 50,000 IDP's in around Hargeisa.
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Eedo Zubeir kalimat al haqq ku hadal ama iska aamus. Nin diinta garanayya baad tahay.
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You right, I saw hundreds of kunfurians in hargeisa view month ago, but what happened yesterday wasn't right nd I am glad we corrected it, Lakiin waxan la yaabay kuwan faqashta fursadan ka faaidaysanaya si ay no cayaan they really dnt care abt these ppl it's just that they got opportunity to insult us.
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Seriously idoors need to stop crying and saying PL is taking advantage of this opportunity to score some brownie points. It's not the case y'all fuked up big time take the L and call it a day.
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ZubeirAwal wrote:
Warsheekh wrote:
ZubeirAwal wrote:People let the emotion override down and let's be a little realistic, there are over 50,000 displaced Somalis in and around Hargeisa being fed and looked after by Somaliland. The sudden influx of refugees from the war on Yemen was taken care of exceptionally well by the port authorities who registered the identities of every passenger on board, they also registered their homeland in Somalia or Somaliland, and according to that detail they told them that once they recieve hospitality in Berbera they would be driven to their homelands be it Barawe, Marka or Mogadishu.

The only thing wrong I saw was that they kept them in the ship in the blistering heat of Berbera, that was inhumane and it does deserve to be condemned, other than that I do not see nothing wrong with them being returned to their homes.

To all the Isaaqs who wail like naago because we are safely returning the Konfurians to their homelands need to remember that in the late 80's more than a dozen of Isaaq men were rounded up in Jasiira beach at the early hours of dawn and were brutally massacred for merely being Isaaq, we are feeding the IDP's and not doing the same.

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Source please. Aid from UN doesn't count.
And how does it not count? If we simply said "We do not wish to accomodate these IDP's on our land" they would not be fed at all.
War ninyahow give me sources about SL government directly paying the IDP's or shut it.

Even if you didn't accomodate the IDP's puntland bey iska tagi lahaayeen ama Xamar. :lol:
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@BlackVelvet

It seems every diplomatic act that Somaliland takes must according to Konfurians, relate to recognition, but you have no evidence for this. Sadly it's mere suspicion and nothing more than a conspiracy theory that lacks all the evidence that is needed for this accusation to be actually used as a point in a discussion. I find it sad that I see it frequently used, like some sorry excuse that will make one feel better.

Somaliland functions as a state, and a state should not let hoards of people enter simply because they speak Somali, yes a dozen of innocent IDP's from the south are harmless but lone vigilante's have crept in among them, may I remind you of the Al Shabab suicide bombings in Hargeisa 2008.

Regarding the newly arrived IDP's, Somaliland has told the UN (according to Wasir Warancadde) that they do not have the resources to accommodate all of these refugees, in other words requesting for aid. The UN rejected this request, so what else is there to do, drop them in huts and let them starve? Or send them to their homelands?

And yes I am aware that Barawe, Marka and Mogadishu are not the only cities in the south, mind you I've spent 4 years on this site reading everything from clan wars to "my magaalad is bigger than yours".
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Where did you find that number? Provide evidence for those stats or avoid dropping numbers like that. Second...what does the dozens of isaaq men executed in jaziira in the 1980s have anything to do with refugees seeking refuge? They didn't do it at all and it certainly wasn't their fault in anyway. The innocent are not responsible for the actions of a government. Third there are accounts of Yemenis getting food and shelter in Berbera while the "walanwayns" were told to not set foot off the ship. Explain that to us? Apparently Yemeni refugees will not make life hard even if they pour into your little Utopia by the thousands. Admit it your government dropped the ball on this one because they chose to use politics where it is not appropriate. I am surprised you would defend such disgusting actions.
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Cherine wrote:Eedo Zubeir kalimat al haqq ku hadal ama iska aamus. Nin diinta garanayya baad tahay.
I do not see error in what I stated. The only wrong thing that occurred was the tyrannical treatment of the southern Somalis on board the ship.
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metamorphosis wrote:Where did you find that number? Provide evidence for those stats or avoid dropping numbers like that. Second...what does the dozens of isaaq men executed in jaziira in the 1980s have anything to do with refugees seeking refuge? They didn't do it at all and it certainly wasn't their fault in anyway. The innocent are not responsible for the actions of a government. Third there are accounts of Yemenis getting food and shelter in Berbera while the "walanwayns" were told to not set foot off the ship. Explain that to us? Apparently Yemeni refugees will not make life hard even if they pour into your little Utopia by the thousands. Admit it your government dropped the ball on this one because they chose to use politics where it is not appropriate. I am surprised you would defend such disgusting actions.

To address your points the reference to the massacre in Jazira was to point out to the wailing men that the treatment of the displaced Somalis who are not regionally from Somaliland absolutely cannot be compared to the treachery that took place in Jazira. Meaning that there is no diabolical xenophobic clannist attack on them for merely being southern Somalis.

Secondly, the Yemeni refugees who are of arab descent have no biological relation to Somalis and their purpose their serves nothing other than finding a settlement to reside in until the war in the country is resolved. It is almost 100% guaranteed that a national threat cannot emerge from them, whereas lone vigilante's can hide amongst the internally displaced southern Somalis. There is no justifiying for how the Berbera port authorities left the other Somalis on board on a sweaty hot ship, that was un-Islamic and inhumane to say the most.
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Zubeir if the issue was about resources, how do you reconcile taking on Yemenis and turning away Somalis?


Please take the L and leave it at that, people will eventually forget/ get bored and move on
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Re: My opinion regarding the Berbera situation..

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Zubeir,
There was no need for "berigii sidaas iyo sidaas baad inoo gasheen". What has hoyada with 9 kids got to with those Isaaq men who were killed?
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