Pat robertson

[CigaalSHiiDaaDCFC]

who says to a grieving mother your dead baby could have been another hitler and thats why god took him away from you .... but why didnt his god kill the frist one while he was a baby? and there are some people who listen to this guy smh!

[BeyondQabil]

Although i don't agree with Pat, i don't think it's such an uncommon point of view. It is a common doctrine that I find repulsive. Though it is more pronounced amongst Muslims.

In fact, aren't Muslims supposed to believe in Qadr? Allah knows best? Allah wills it?

Why did my chld die? Allah knows best? This is a test from Allah? Have Sabr?

[CigaalSHiiDaaDCFC]

^^ but we dnt say allah killed your baby because he was going to be next hitler ... It's qadr, it was his/her time, nd it's test on the patents.

[Prlnce]

Allah knows best is or this is a test is what people say when they are trying to comfort someone it's not the same as ...god allowed your baby to die because he was going to prevent the next hitler, stalin ....a primitive attack by god....astaghfirullah

[BeyondQabil]

Actually he makes sense in the first 1 minute..before he mentions Hitler.

If you watched the clip, he didn't say that the baby was going to be the next Hitler...he said that the baby COULD be the next Hitler, Stalin, or COULD have grown up to die a horrible disease. At the end of the Day, Allah knows best, Doesn't he? That's the point of his argument. That Allah sees from the beginning to the end and therefore he did something to prevent the future problem.

Do you think Allah killed the baby to test the parents?

My comment should shouldn't make it seem like i necessarily agree with the latter part of his argument. I agree with the first part of the argument though. Neither do i agree with the "His time had come," argument; it's pretty absurd. We can't put everything on God...though he knows why it happened. It doesn't mean that he made it happen.

His time had not come. Something happened, which i do not understand. But it is not God who kills children to test their parents. Neither does he kill children because their time had come.

[CigaalSHiiDaaDCFC]

Odaygan caadi ma ahan

if I was married to I'd start to drink too

[BeyondQabil]

Allah knows best is or this is a test is what people say when they are trying to comfort someone it's not the same as ...god allowed your baby to die because he was going to prevent the next hitler, stalin ....a primitive attack by god....astaghfirullah

Do people say that to comfort people or because it is true?

Last Sunday, a friend of mine told me the same thing. A relative of his had lost the wife. Then he asked him, "Why did God allow my wife to die just like that? Is it because i did not know how to pray?"

My friend told him "No. It's because God loved your wife and wanted her in heaven." It's a common way of comfort amongst Christians. "We loved you, but God loved you more." Is a common phrase in the orbituries. But is it true? It may be comforting, but is it true?

So here Pat is trying to tell this person (Remember he's not talking to the mother,) that the child is in Heaven with God. He has the same aim of comforting the mother, and although his argument is more comforting than saying, God killed your child to test you. It's a test from Allah, it is just as theologically messed up.

[CigaalSHiiDaaDCFC]

Actually he makes sense in the first 1 minute..before he mentions Hitler.

If you watched the clip, he didn't say that the baby was going to be the next Hitler...he said that the baby COULD be the next Hitler, Stalin, or COULD have grown up to die a horrible disease. At the end of the Day, Allah knows best, Doesn't he? That's the point of his argument. That Allah sees from the beginning to the end and therefore he did something to prevent the future problem.

Do you think Allah killed the baby to test the parents?

My comment should shouldn't make it seem like i necessarily agree with the latter part of his argument. I agree with the first part of the argument though. Neither do i agree with the "His time had come," argument; it's pretty absurd. We can't put everything on God...though he knows why it happened. It doesn't mean that he made it happen.

His time had not come. Something happened, which i do not understand. But it is not God who kills .

Nor can a soul die except by Allah's leave, the term being fixed as by writing. If any do desire a reward in this life, We shall give it to him; and if any do desire a reward 111 the hereafter. We shall give it to him. And swiftly shall We reward those that (serve Us with) gratitude.
[3: Al-Imran-145]

[BeyondQabil]

Nor can a soul die except by Allah's leave, the term being fixed as by writing. If any do desire a reward in this life, We shall give it to him; and if any do desire a reward 111 the hereafter. We shall give it to him. And swiftly shall We reward those that (serve Us with) gratitude.
[3: Al-Imran-145]

I came to discover that there are some things that are taught, but never believed.

If Muslim nations believed that verse, No muslim army would spend billions of dollars on armored vehicles. They would simply go to war with killer machines with no protective gear. in fact, NO MUSLIM COUNTRY WOULD GO TO WAR. For if the time for the other person to die has come, that person would die -automatically. Whether you shot at him or not. No Muslim hospital would have life-saving medicine or life support. All we would have is painkillers. Muslim medical schools would not be taught to make prognosis.

So there are some things that are good for arguing doctrine, and for debates but which even the scholars don't believe. That verse is one of them. True belief comes from action.

If i tell you that the house is on fire and you say "yes" but continue watching TV, you don't believe what i just told you.

[Prlnce]

Allah knows best is or this is a test is what people say when they are trying to comfort someone it's not the same as ...god allowed your baby to die because he was going to prevent the next hitler, stalin ....a primitive attack by god....astaghfirullah

Do people say that to comfort people or because it is true?

Last Sunday, a friend of mine told me the same thing. A relative of his had lost the wife. Then he asked him, "Why did God allow my wife to die just like that? Is it because i did not know how to pray?"

My friend told him "No. It's because God loved your wife and wanted her in heaven." It's a common way of comfort amongst Christians. "We loved you, but God loved you more." Is a common phrase in the orbituries. But is it true? It may be comforting, but is it true?

So here Pat is trying to tell this person (Remember he's not talking to the mother,) that the child is in Heaven with God. He has the same aim of comforting the mother, and although his argument is more comforting than saying, God killed your child to test you. It's a test from Allah, it is just as theologically messed up.

People say lots of things not in the quran or bible to comfort others. Pat would say that to the mother if he said it on national tv he would not hesitate to say that to face. He has a long history of saying things like this....like the time he told man to divorce his wife because she had alzheimer's.....or the time he said the one thing muslims do better than us is beat their wife.....or time he told a man to convert to islam to beat his wife...why? because his wife was disrespecting him.... It's personal advice not religious guidance that has nothing to do with theology. He should of stopped at the 1:10 mark of the video.

[CigaalSHiiDaaDCFC]

Allah knows best is or this is a test is what people say when they are trying to comfort someone it's not the same as ...god allowed your baby to die because he was going to prevent the next hitler, stalin ....a primitive attack by god....astaghfirullah

Do people say that to comfort people or because it is true?

Last Sunday, a friend of mine told me the same thing. A relative of his had lost the wife. Then he asked him, "Why did God allow my wife to die just like that? Is it because i did not know how to pray?"

My friend told him "No. It's because God loved your wife and wanted her in heaven." It's a common way of comfort amongst Christians. "We loved you, but God loved you more." Is a common phrase in the orbituries. But is it true? It may be comforting, but is it true?

So here Pat is trying to tell this person (Remember he's not talking to the mother,) that the child is in Heaven with God. He has the same aim of comforting the mother, and although his argument is more comforting than saying, God killed your child to test you. It's a test from Allah, it is just as theologically messed up.

People say lots of things not in the quran or bible to comfort others. Pat would say that to the mother if he said it on national tv he would not hesitate to say that to face. He has a long history of saying things like this....like the time he told man to divorce his wife because she had alzheimer's.....or the time he said the one thing muslims do better than us is beat their wife.....or time he told a man to convert to islam to beat his wife...why? because his wife was disrespecting him.... It's personal advice not religious guidance that has nothing to do with theology. He should of stopped at the 1:10 mark of the video.

He told him to move to Saudi Arabia where it's legal to beat the shit out of your wife