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Somalia's forgotten male war victims

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Somali men have become emasculated and dispensable after the downfall of Siad Barres Regime! Gender Roles Flipped Identity Crisis

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NAIROBI, June 11 (Thomson Reuters Foundation) - Men in war-torn Somalia suffer high rates of drug addiction, divorce and mental illness, the World Bank said, urging donors to do more to support men and strengthen families.

In Somali culture, men are expected to provide all household needs, from food to security. But many women have become breadwinners since the 1991 ouster of dictator Siad Barre, creating an identity crisis for men.

Many Somali men are addicted to an amphetamine-like drug called khat, traumatised, depressed and physically disabled, the study found.

"Men find themselves dispensable, with no meaningful role and no stake in the future," said the study, based on interviews with 400 men and 90 women living in Somalia and neighbouring Kenya.

"Men of all ages and backgrounds commonly recalled periods when they experienced some form of mental breakdown."

Khat, a leaf that is chewed for several hours, has become a "social epidemic", said Said Mohamed, one of the researchers.

"It's a way to escape from reality," he said. "Men feel useless."

After the collapse of Barre's government, which was the country's major employer, many Somali men lost their jobs, causing a "personal catastrophe for many men, from which many have not recovered", the report said.

Those living as refugees in Kenya are legally barred from working or leaving the camps, and depend on aid agency rations given to their wives.

"He lost respect in the house," a mother of seven said about her husband in the report. "Even his children do not listen to him."

Rates of divorce were reported to be "very high", with some men in their 20s having been married more than three times.

Verbal abuse of men by women has also increased, the study said.

"When I come home in the evening I will find her with some meagre income she has earned that makes her think she has taken over responsibility for the family," one man told the researchers. "She will start yelling at me, 'He is sitting there idly!'"

Men have started seeking wives to support them financially, the study found.

Most common are "diaspora marriages" with Somali women overseas, or "gigolo" arrangements in which "a young, healthy man marries an older woman to live as her sexual companion, assistant and financial dependent".

The researchers called on donors to pay greater attention to men's needs.

"There are lot of men who have suffered enormously and are not getting any support," said Judy El-Bushra, one of the report's authors.
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I always had a feeling without reading this article. Sad, very sad for these men , getting emasculated in such a way.
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"Men find themselves dispensable, with no meaningful role and no stake in the future,"
This is depressingly sad. The male AA population have the same exact problem. :snoop:
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Adali wrote:Let me read this later.

But I agree, the Somali male has suffered alot, a man can take alot of hardship, but even a man has weak spot, his pride, his balls etc Our country a 100 years ago had millions of men who were real men with pride and honour, we also had the bitches who bend over to other men and enjoy homosexual activity, we call them majerten. Today we have all become more majerten and compete in who can be the biggest bitch. Also the weak man have the wildest women, out of control women, like Ayan Hirsi, only a faggot can father her right ? not a man, only a majerten.
The love and envy of Majeerteen is :whew:
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Adali next time you write that type of shit, I will make sure you are banned, permanantely, do not insult the dead, you are not half the man Hersi Magan Isse(AUN) was. If you want to insult Ayan Hersi the atheist then be my guest, but don't drag her tribe and her deceased father into it.
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Xamud. wrote:Adali next time you write that type of shit, I will make sure you are banned, permanantely, do not insult the dead, you are not half the man Hersi Magan Isse(AUN) was. If you want to insult Ayan Hersi the atheist then be my guest, but don't drag her tribe and her deceased father into it.
I second that in spades.
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Grant wrote:
Xamud. wrote:Adali next time you write that type of shit, I will make sure you are banned, permanantely, do not insult the dead, you are not half the man Hersi Magan Isse(AUN) was. If you want to insult Ayan Hersi the atheist then be my guest, but don't drag her tribe and her deceased father into it.
I second that in spades.
How did u meet hirsi magan grant?
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Buraanbur wrote:
"Men find themselves dispensable, with no meaningful role and no stake in the future,"
This is depressingly sad. The male AA population have the same exact problem. :snoop:
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Advo wrote:
Grant wrote:
Xamud. wrote:Adali next time you write that type of shit, I will make sure you are banned, permanantely, do not insult the dead, you are not half the man Hersi Magan Isse(AUN) was. If you want to insult Ayan Hersi the atheist then be my guest, but don't drag her tribe and her deceased father into it.
I second that in spades.
How did u meet hirsi magan grant?
He was my language instructor and mentor at Columbia.
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Buraanbur wrote:
"Men find themselves dispensable, with no meaningful role and no stake in the future,"
This is depressingly sad. The male AA population have the same exact problem. :snoop:
It is indeed very depressing! The impact of the war had on us so great it destroys culture! The effect it had on men are ignored!

If i speak out about the probems & issues of somali men all i get is feminists trying down play it or raise neglect to it as it becomes a ever increasing problem.

Its usually that all problems men face is self inflicted and you get mocked for trying to find a resolution to it!
Verbal abuse of men by women has also increased, the study said.

"When I come home in the evening I will find her with some meagre income she has earned that makes her think she has taken over responsibility for the family," one man told the researchers. "She will start yelling at me, 'He is sitting there idly!'"

Men have started seeking wives to support them financially, the study found.

Most common are "diaspora marriages" with Somali women overseas, or "gigolo" arrangements in which "a young, healthy man marries an older woman to live as her sexual companion, assistant and financial dependent".

The researchers called on donors to pay greater attention to men's needs.
This part is what makes my stomach really bitter, with the simple fact that somali men at large are being disenfranchised & marginalized by society!

The fact that somali men are portrayed awfully & are blamed for the problems they inherited and not asked for!

If you are a somali male (speaking from life experience) then you are looked down on by society at large, You mostly get zero consideration for jobs becuz you are muslim, darkskinned,african & from a war torn country with stigma!
Me living in europe no matter how i much made myself out to seem so what decent intelligent & hardworking i felt i could never escape the severe awful media potrayl and stereotyping & prejudice in the public circle

Not only that but the fact as a european born kid people from all ethnicities seem to treat like im a qaxooti who touched down yesterday!
My european language skills is always commented on, ItsEither they are suprised i speak as good better than the natives or they just assume i speak terribly!
Constantly looked upon as a foreigner even by kids from whos parents have migrant backgrounds! i could be the most intelligent kind hearted hard working kid and it wouldnt matter!

In many ways you begin thinking if thats the way they see me, Then so be it! Why should i even try? when people are holding me to such low standards!

Look at this article

Sorry, no jobs for somalis

If you’re Somali, don’t bother to look for a job

http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/magazin ... index.html

They deny people jobs and displace them in training and mentoring courses keeping them unemployed.
“We’ve had four years of talk talk talk, while most people have just figured they’re unemployable and gone into the taxi industry. How many years can you stay unemployed and attending meetings? People are getting training for a month, three months, and then going back to being unemployed. Do you realise what this does to a person’s confidence? The whole training and mentoring thing has become a self-serving industry that doesn’t produce any results in terms of jobs.”
But the evidence strongly suggests otherwise. For Somali-Australians, being black and Muslim and with the additional stigma of coming from the world’s most corrupt country, the chances of finding full-time work – let alone a respectable white-collar job – are arguably the lowest in the Western world. In a country that lays claim to having one of the most robust and egalitarian job markets anywhere, the words “fair go” remain a mockery for hundreds of eternally unemployed Somali professionals.
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Literally somalis with Phd degrees that drive taxis!
No one has yet done a study to measure the lost potential to Australia in terms of professional achievements or international standing in allowing so many of our best and brightest residents to work as drivers, translators or cleaners. The ‘PhDs driving taxis’ headlines have come and gone, but to this day, hundreds of experienced doctors, accountants and engineers are still driving cabs and doing menial part-time jobs to sustain their families and relatives overseas on fickle hourly wages. Hundreds more have given up entirely, resigning themselves to a perpetual life in the slow lane.
litteraly there are High qualified african doctors who begs hospitals to get job. The Welfare Myth pushed
Fozdar describes meeting experienced African doctors who have literally begged hospitals to take them on as unpaid interns. “For these professional, accomplished people, there are huge issues of self-esteem and dignity among their families – and they can’t even get volunteer work! Honestly, the media keeps perpetuating this myth that refugees are here to bludge from the government, but it’s so patently untrue.
i dont blame white people hiring their own before everyone else cuz it is natural thing anyone would have done. However they are indifferent to our situation.
Somalis are not indifferent to their own situation btw. That is why many go to study abroad or take up jobs in non western countries.
But after dozens of applications for scientific and research postings, and not one letter of reply, a dejected Kulmiye sent a note back to his old colleagues in Africa – and was immediately offered a job by Vétérinaires sans Frontières. Despondent and running low on money, he eventually took up a consultancy with the Swiss NGO.

The reason why somali males turn to crime gangs and live life on a dole
“If we’re losing the fathers, we will lose their sons,” warns Horn-Afrik’s coordinator, Omar Farah. “They will drop out of school, live on the dole, and some will go into crime. If your husband is unemployed, your father is depressed, your parents are talking about going back to Africa — how can you expect that family to be striving to adopt Australian values?”
I encourage everybody to read this article which is 3 pages! I dont know i sometimes feel like there is a war on Somali males. We endorse it by neglecting the issues and cattering to feminist propaganda and viewing our problems from a foreign lense!

As i see it total equality in genders will only be achieved when issues and problems pertaining to men are adressed!
Social equality and economic stability in men will equal social equality and economic stability in women!
Men=women!

if you want to further read more go to this pdf file about impact of war on somali men: http://www.logica-wb.org/PDFs/LOGICA_Th ... li_Men.pdf
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jalaaludin5 wrote:
Adali wrote:Let me read this later.

But I agree, the Somali male has suffered alot, a man can take alot of hardship, but even a man has weak spot, his pride, his balls etc Our country a 100 years ago had millions of men who were real men with pride and honour, we also had the bitches who bend over to other men and enjoy homosexual activity, we call them majerten. Today we have all become more majerten and compete in who can be the biggest bitch. Also the weak man have the wildest women, out of control women, like Ayan Hirsi, only a faggot can father her right ? not a man, only a majerten.
The love and envy of Majeerteen is :whew:
:damn: Blaming Majeerteen for Somali men problems? WTF
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Sonofnomad, u raise a lot of good points. There's no doubt that the civil war has destroyed traditional gender roles and families, which were the bedrock of our society. Somali men are disenfranchised and have becoming hopeless and despondent. Also, I understand that there are challeneges facing Somali males in the west in terms of employment and advancement, but we shouldn't let that stop us. If we internalize and begin to identify with our place in these societies it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy...like u said urself 'why should I even try?' is whats gonna go through your mind. And I know u agree with me on this, but we gotta stay as far away from a victim-hood mentality as much as we can, or else we'll be the biggest impediments to our success and not cadaans or the system.
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Somali men are pure crab!
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Jugjugwacwac wrote:Sonofnomad, u raise a lot of good points. There's no doubt that the civil war has destroyed traditional gender roles and families, which were the bedrock of our society. Somali men are disenfranchised and have becoming hopeless and despondent. Also, I understand that there are challeneges facing Somali males in the west in terms of employment and advancement, but we shouldn't let that stop us. If we internalize and begin to identify with our place in these societies it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy...like u said urself 'why should I even try?' is whats gonna go through your mind. And I know u agree with me on this, but we gotta stay as far away from a victim-hood mentality as much as we can, or else we'll be the biggest impediments to our success and not cadaans or the system.
We don't internalize & identify with it! At least I hope somalis at large don't!

It's not like our current circumstance defines us really! The diaspora kids who know nothing about somalis & somalia in general will think it does!

Why should I even try? was something I read from article about somali youth! It's more or less a mental breakdown from repeatedly trying to go against the alienation & stereotypes & barriers many somali youth face!

That's how somali males think just like the articles I posted said!

But I raised these point to the fact that nothing is being done about it! No one is willing to address this issue. No one is willing to search for a resolutions and the plight of somali men is ignored by men themselves & women!

To beat this retched cadaan system! We need a communities that address the needs of somalis in all aspects. The only place we are united organize or invest in is the mosque! Not our kids education & well being etc!

I just wish somalis had the same enthusiasm and cohesiveness & drive in regards to social issues of somalis as they do with religion and making sure the kid knows Islam!

I don't understand why we stay being pathetic victims and not hit back!
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