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Me being a somali history & culture enthusiast, after much needed research i have discovered that many somalis not only colonized islands along the indian ocean but also many states in asia as well during the medieval time.

IT brought forward many rulers and elites that spread Sufi Islam with determination and bulilt countless mosques & monuments in india.

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ignore the gibberish about abyssinia and slave rulers cuz that is nonsense this jew conjured up even disproven by his ethiopian colleague.

SKIP TO 43:20 where he is asked if they were xabashis and he responds by saying that his ethiopian collegue found somali clan names where the elite rulers ruled.

Following up on this most slaves were hasbeshas and some were bantus.

After somali king ahmed gurey and his somali army defeated abyssinia and conquered it.
Somalis enslaved thousands of habashis and shipped them to india.

in the book Slaves and Slavery in Muslim Africa: The servile estate
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=sa ... es&f=false

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many of the slaves that somalis enslaved and shipped to theyre ruling sultanates in india were of bantu and xabashi origins.
So this discounts the nonsense of Slave elite ruling system crap.

let me dvelve further into the relationship between somalia and india

Somalis brought Islam to the Maldives in the 1200s. Somali rulers and imams, like Abdulaziz of Mogadishu:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Aziz_of_Mogadishu


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Ibn Battuta in maldives page 38
. Below the page you will see him Say Abd aziz maqdashavi which is arabic for Abdul aziz of mogadishu

Governor of the Island Abd alziz al maqdashawi! Abd alziz of mogadishu

He was also a somali ruled in ajuuran empire in somalia.
The Governor of this island, 'Abd al 'Aziz Almakdachaouy, welcomed me with respect, entertained me...
Richard Burton (first white man to explore the Somali country) noted that even in the far interior, he met many Somalis fluent in Hindustani (due to the practice of going on trading missions to and from India, particularly "Kutch", which I assume is in Gujarat somewhere.
Lieut. Speke’s captor went to seek his own portion of the spoil, when a Somal came up and asked in Hindostani, what business the Frank had in their country, and added that he would kill him if a Christian, but spare the life of a brother Moslem. The wounded man replied that he was going to Zanzibar, that he was still a Nazarene, and therefore that the work had better be done at once:—the savage laughed and passed on.
http://burtoniana.org/books/1856-First% ... psVer2.htm

it could be a noteworthy one as somalis were reffered to as moors and the fact the north african berber moors conquered europe. Im guessing berber somalis conquered several parts of india.
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Itrah wrote:Bantus, not Somalis.
Whats with ur obsession with bantus man? The guy in the video said they found somali clan names and that fact that somali rulers of ajuuran colonized indian islands it seems pretty accurate. Plus these rulers were sufi muslims. at the time the sole sufi people were somalis.

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Itrah wrote:
TheMightyNomad wrote:
Itrah wrote:Bantus, not Somalis.
Whats with ur obsession with bantus man? The guy in the video said they found somali clan names and that fact that somali rulers of ajuuran colonized indian islands it seems pretty accurate. Plus these rulers were sufi muslims. at the time the sole sufi people were somalis.

Read my post before commenting
I have already researched this topic years ago and came to the conclusion that they were Bantus.

The Habshi Africans in India look straight up Congolese. They are not Somalis.
Can you not read :Heh: he said in his post they were habash and bantus who were enslaved by somalis not somalis.
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Somalis didn't rule shit in India. Yes there were communities that came relatively recently but the black rulers were general slaves that gained power or traders or military rulers going back hundreds of years.
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SultanOrder wrote:Somalis didn't rule shit in India. Yes there were communities that came relatively recently but the black rulers were general slaves that gained power or traders or military rulers going back hundreds of years.
No they werent the black were f-king slaves and servant along with xabashis! The bantus were shipped from somali ports along with xabashis !why do try to argue against historians of the past like ibn battuta and the fella from metplank institute?

Somalis ruled abyssinia,yemen, india and many islands. its fact written down.

Stop bootyclapping niggers and go to do that on hiphop.com or islandmix.com

communities relatively recent my ass! learn to read
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Warriors wrote: Can you not read :Heh: he said in his post they were habash and bantus who were enslaved by somalis not somalis.
Somalis didn't enslave shit, stop taking credit for stuff the Benadiri foreigners were doing.
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When I was reading the history of African Indian Oceans Islands it mentions a lot of Somali influence in those Islands.
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Warriors wrote:
Itrah wrote:
I have already researched this topic years ago and came to the conclusion that they were Bantus.

The Habshi Africans in India look straight up Congolese. They are not Somalis.
Can you not read :Heh: he said in his post they were habash and bantus who were enslaved by somalis not somalis.
Wast majority of them are bantu slaves and some are habashis. The elite rulers were somalis who governed theyre own sultunates and had many slaves sent from somali ports of adal and ajuuran empire.

The british gave the zanj(bantu) slaves the name siddi during the 18th century but the sayyids they speak of in the video were somali sufi muslim rulers.

Sayyid means overlord master or saint and was a title worn by many somalis. You dont call slaves sayyids. which is how i debunked the dudes slave elite system bull crap up above with written facts.

read page 198 to 200
of this book

An African Indian Community in Hyderabad: Siddi Identity, Its Maintenance ...

https://books.google.no/books?id=DigPvw ... li&f=false

somalis and xabashis in india dont identify as siddis and the somalis look more like south indians and therefore not discriminated like the bantus and also becuz they have similar virtue and culture as us.

there are only like 800 somalis in india. people have to understand somalis were never enslaved and shipped to india so there is no massive population of us there. instead we were elites and rulers.

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people got to understand somalis were the greatest sailors and traders in Africa. alligned with many indian sultunates governed by somalis.
The Somali people have a strong tradition in trade, with a long history of maritime enterprise. After the Roman conquest of the Nabataean Empire and the Roman naval presence at Aden to curb piracy, Arab and Somali merchants by agreement barred Indian ships from trading in the free port cities of the Arabian peninsula[2] to protect the interests of Somali and Arab merchants in the extremely lucrative ancient Red Sea–Mediterranean Sea commerce.[3] However, Indian merchants continued to trade in the port cities of the Somali peninsula, which was free from Roman interference.[4]


The Indian merchants for centuries brought large quantities of cinnamon from Sri Lanka and Indonesia to Somalia and Arabia. This is said to have been the best kept secret of the Arab and Somali merchants in their trade with the Roman and Greek world. The Romans and Greeks believed the source of cinnamon to have been the Somali peninsula, but in reality, the highly valued product was brought to Somalia by way of Indian ships.[5] Through collusive agreement by Somali and Arab traders, Indian/Chinese cinnamon was also exported for far higher prices to North Africa, the Near East and Europe, which made the cinnamon trade a very profitable revenue generator, especially for the Somali merchants through whose hands large quantities were shipped across ancient sea and land routes.[3]

During the Age of the Ajuuraans, the Somali sultanates and republics of Merca, Mogadishu, Barawa, Hobyo and their respective ports flourished and had a lucrative foreign commerce, with ships sailing to and coming from India, Arabia, Venetia,[6] Persia, Egypt, Portugal and as far away as China. In the 16th century, Duarte Barbosa noted that many ships from the Kingdom of Cambaya in modern-day India sailed to Mogadishu with cloth and spices, for which they in return received gold, wax and ivory. Barbosa highlighted the abundance of meat, wheat, barley, horses and fruit on the coastal markets, which generated enormous wealth for the merchants.[7] Jewish merchants from the Hormuz also brought their Indian textile and fruit to the Somali coast in exchange for grain and wood.[8]
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Bro I can agree with a lot of things, but are you implying this man was Somali?
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PrinceDaadi wrote:When I was reading the history of African Indian Oceans Islands it mentions a lot of Somali influence in those Islands.
that is becuz we ruled them and dont listen to itrah he is crazy anti somali! Somalis ruled maldives in the 13 century according to ibn battuta.
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RoobleAlWaliid wrote:Bro I can agree with a lot of things, but are you implying this man was Somali?
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i am not implying! It is fact written down many somalis ruled it! Why dont you watch the video the guy even says many came from ethiopia and somalia and says at 43:20 that the elites had somali clan names.

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And the fact that even ibn battuta wrote that during 13century somalis ruled indian island of maldives.

So yes! I dont understand why you guys are soo much against our people ruling shit!
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TheMightyNomad wrote:
PrinceDaadi wrote:When I was reading the history of African Indian Oceans Islands it mentions a lot of Somali influence in those Islands.
that is becuz we ruled them and dont listen to itrah he is crazy anti somali! Somalis ruled maldives in the 13 century according to ibn battuta.
My friend while history is history have you ever heard "Aabahey ayaa geel hada ayaan dameer leeyahay dhaanta".

Are you using this this history thing to feel good? Looking for identity ? I understand u r still a teen!
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TheMightyNomad wrote:
RoobleAlWaliid wrote:Bro I can agree with a lot of things, but are you implying this man was Somali?
TheMightyNomad wrote: Image
i am not implying! It is fact written down many somalis ruled it! Why dont you watch the video the guy even says many came from ethiopia and somalia and says at 43:20 that the elites had somali clan names.

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And the fact that even ibn battuta wrote that during 13century somalis ruled indian island of maldives.

So yes! I dont understand why you guys are soo much against our people ruling shit!
Yeah there were elites, of course the ones that sold the slaves and made a name for themselves in India, but this man is Malik Ambar one of the Habesha slaves sold from the port of Zeila during the Adal Sultanate. He rose among the ranks in India, from slave to the title Ikhlas Khan in India.

Read up http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/asi ... japur.html


All these accoutrements and the splendour of the gold trappings would appear to reinforce a royal identity for the subject. In spite of this, however, the subject bears no resemblance to any of the Deccani Sultans but a considerable one to the powerful minister Ikhlas Khan of Bijapur. Malik Raihan Habshi, a Habshi or African noble of Abyssinian descent in the service of the Bijapur sultans, was given the title Ikhlas Khan after he contrived the murder of the pro-Mughal minister Khawas Khan in 1635 at the time of Shah Jahan’s advance on the Deccan. He rose to the position of chief minister under Muhammad ‘Adil Shah (reg. 1627-56), so that he held all the reins of power in the Bijapur sultanate. He is known to us from several other paintings, in particular Sultan Muhammad ‘Adil Shah and Ikhlas Khan riding an Elephant, c. 1650. in the collection of Sir Howard Hodgkin, where Ikhlas Khan wears the same belt as here, and The Durbar of Sultan Muhammad ‘Adil Shah in the City Palace Museum, Jaipur, dated 1651. Another rather damaged half-length portrait is also in the Johnson Collection in the British Library showing Ikhlas Khan holding a gold and jewelled staff of office..

There is no honor in being a former slave to me, please don't claim this ex-habesha slave.

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As far as the slaves goes, Itrah is correct. They were Bantus:
The Siddis (Afro-Indians) are a tribal population whose members live in coastal Karnataka, Gujarat, and in some parts of Andhra Pradesh. Historical records indicate that the Portuguese brought the Siddis to India from Africa about 300–500 years ago; however, there is little information about their more precise ancestral origins. Here, we perform a genome-wide survey to understand the population history of the Siddis. Using hundreds of thousands of autosomal markers, we show that they have inherited ancestry from Africans, Indians, and possibly Europeans (Portuguese). Additionally, analyses of the uniparental (Y-chromosomal and mitochondrial DNA) markers indicate that the Siddis trace their ancestry to Bantu speakers from sub-Saharan Africa. We estimate that the admixture between the African ancestors of the Siddis and neighboring South Asian groups probably occurred in the past eight generations (∼200 years ago), consistent with historical records.
With regard to the rulers, the Adal, Mogadishu and Ajuran sultanates among other kingdoms in Northeast and Northwest Africa did engage in trade with kingdoms in the Indian subcontinent. So that's probably where the separate talk of rulership ties stems from.
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PrinceDaadi wrote:
TheMightyNomad wrote:
PrinceDaadi wrote:When I was reading the history of African Indian Oceans Islands it mentions a lot of Somali influence in those Islands.
that is becuz we ruled them and dont listen to itrah he is crazy anti somali! Somalis ruled maldives in the 13 century according to ibn battuta.
My friend while history is history have you ever heard "Aabahey ayaa geel hada ayaan dameer leeyahay dhaanta".

Are you using this this history thing to feel good? Looking for identity ? I understand u r still a teen!
Never heard of that! what does it mean?

no i am not, but it helps when knowing somali history when you have to debunk allegations and nonsense people throw at you.
i love studying all kinds of history in general from roman empire to nabetean to ancient egypt and horn history.

I view history as an explainer and example of how the world and cultures are set up today. But also view the good parts of history as way to live life especially somali history.

i dont have an identity complex btw never had one. Always knew that i was a noble somali from birth!
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