will tigray follow the same fate as alawites? eth: the bomb waiting 2 explode!

[sahal80]

the era of the tyrannical minority rule has gone, only a stronger grip of power is crucial for their suicidal continuity not democratizing ethiopia as this american report calls for!

Since the tigray came to power, 2.7 million amhra are missing let alone the rest!

The minority regime depends on locally its divide and rule policy

internationally, it uses the stability card and protecting the westren interests in the horn of africa

to pull the rug out from under ethiopia, somalia should play this role along side with egypt, turkey and the gulf countries, cooperate with the westren companies as china is investing in our neighbouring countries

Yes ethiopia has a christian regime though having a muslim majority but the west has its own interests too

Take example for egypt and how the world bank has backed it against ethiopia

Ethiopia heading towards disintegration and failing state!

[theyuusuf143]

worse I think. the alawites are Supported by all Shia. but no one will support tigray they will be phuked like never before. Ethiopia is owned by amhara followed by oromo the rest are endangered species.

[WaaliCas]

No doubt Ethiopians will end the TPLF rule but Tigrais will never be targeted. Ethiopians are not Hawiye nor Arab radicals. Ethiopians know the difference between rebels, regime and public.

When TPLF and the EPLF were fighting the Derg regime, no Ethiopian civilians got involved. When the TPLF and EPLF marched from the north, all over Ethiopia ordinary people neither welcomed them nor rebelled them apart from the OLF hiding in parts of Borana, who were disarmed.

The EPLF and TPLF marched through Amhara country without a single incident. To Ethiopians it was a war between disgruntle rebels who used ethnic tags to mobilize forces and the regime. To Amhara and Oromo, the Derg was neither of them and it was worst thing for them too despite being dominated by Oromo.

For Amhara they were still mourning the lose of Emperor Haile Selassie I. He was too divine and righteous leader for them. They adored him and considered him a gentle leader. Of course they resented Mengistu Haile Mariam for executing him.

In the next chapter, TPLF will go but Tigrai will remain integral part of the Ethiopian society as they have been for 3000 years. Many Tigrai awrajas themselves cannot wait until TPLF goes. The TPLF is dominated by the Adwa and Axum houses. These groups used to be regarded as untouchables (midgaan) of Tigrai society especially Adwa. The rest of Tigrais did not used to mingle with them nor marry from them. The Adwans were more closed to the Serae group, now part of Eritrea.

Once Amhara return they going to appoint important Oromo figures and work with the Oromo more than any other group. They will then invite Tigrais from Enderta, Tembien and most likely Shire. The Endertans still have land disputes with Gonder and Wollo but once Amhara return I believe they will restore the old woredas.

Of course Oromo is weak considering the most powerful Oromo, the Yejju and Rayya, are with Amhara as are those of Shoa and the Wellega.

Restoring relations with Eritrea will be key and that will bury any future Tigrai uprise who cannot use Eritrea as a safe haven.

Ethiopians are not mooryaan. They won't be dragging Tigrai bodies in KM4.

Ras

[theyuusuf143]

Hold on hawdian. If amhara comes back there wont be federelism. Even the flag will be changed to haile sellase verssion. Ethiopia have no stable future .

[comeAndGo]

the era of the tyrannical minority rule has gone, only a stronger grip of power is crucial for their suicidal continuity not democratizing ethiopia as this american report calls for!

Since the tigray came to power, 2.7 million amhra are missing let alone the rest!

The minority regime depends on locally its divide and rule policy

internationally, it uses the stability card and protecting the westren interests in the horn of africa

to pull the rug out from under ethiopia, somalia should play this role along side with egypt, turkey and the gulf countries, cooperate with the westren companies as china is investing in our neighbouring countries

Yes ethiopia has a christian regime though having a muslim majority but the west has its own interests too

Take example for egypt and how the world bank has backed it against ethiopia

Ethiopia heading towards disintegration and failing state!

Lol. this documentary is not of the US department of State. some clever amhara from DC wrote it and used some software text reader to read over it, and label it as US gove produced video to get some views.
Im all against TPLF now. And I am from the center of tigray

[thegoodshepherd]

Of course Oromo is weak considering the most powerful Oromo, the Yejju and Rayya, are with Amhara as are those of Shoa and the Wellega.
Ras

Thank you for your analysis Hawdian.

I always thought that the Arsi are the most powerful Oromo because the have the best land and are over 5 million strong almost as big as Tigray.
The Yijju and Rayya are 1 million max and don't even live in Oromia. How can they be more powerful than Arussa??

[jalaaludin5]

to pull the rug out from under ethiopia, somalia should play this role along side with egypt, turkey and the gulf countries, co

Now why would you want "to pull the rug out from under ethiopia" ?

Would that make Somalia more stable?

Somalis should never side with Egypt over Ethiopia. Somalis will die for Ethiopia if it ever came to war between the two country.

[WaaliCas]

Of course Oromo is weak considering the most powerful Oromo, the Yejju and Rayya, are with Amhara as are those of Shoa and the Wellega.
Ras

Thank you for your analysis Hawdian.

I always thought that the Arsi are the most powerful Oromo because the have the best land and are over 5 million strong almost as big as Tigray.
The Yijju and Rayya are 1 million max and don't even live in Oromia. How can they be more powerful than Arussa??

I don't know the exact figures of the Yejju and Rayya but I would say they are at least 6 million. They do cover vast land from Wollo, Gonder to parts of Enderta in Tigray.

They have always played significant role in Ethiopia's power shift and even ruled Ethiopia as Muslim Oromo. They have been very infleuntial and powerful unit both politically and militarily. They were not only able to survive in such hostile region with so many warring factions but thrive and rule.

For me from 17th century to the last Emperor in the 19th century was probably one of their greatest era in Ethiopian history. It was unfortunate that rather than grab the throne for themselves they helped install leaders to thrones. Almost all generals and governors were of Yejju for example Ras Aligaz, Abba Seru, Ras Ali I (founder of Debre Tabor town, later was capital), Ras Faris of Lasta (north Wollo/Semien Mt), Dejazmach Alula (commander/general), Commander Sadiq, Yasufe, Ras Wolde Gabriel (relative of the future Empress of Ethiopia Taitu, who was married to Menelik II later she would kind of adopt his son/help him in the royal court), the list can go on and on. Of course we can't forget Ras Ali Mikael of Wollo and queen Workitu of Wollo, both who helped free Menelik II from prison and helped him expand corner to corner. Ras Ali of Wollo is said to posses an army of more than 100,000 men.

When the Habesha failed to compete with these elite Oromo group, they often played the good old religion card accusing them of being "Galla pagans" or "Muslim Ahmed Gragn". Of course the Yejju adopted and played their cards even greater than the Habesha. They even played low and pretended to be "converts" often take Geez titles but practiced their Islam. These are well known. They even infiltrated the Church and mixed things up between the various sect disputes namely the qibat, tesega lij, and sosit ledit. And later Europeans imported the Protestant and the Church was forced to compete with the more radical Pente (Evangelicals) too. It was all up for grabs.

Before them though the man with the joystick was Ras Ali II. Every month he appointed a leader only to be deposed by his own Yejju Oromo.

Once Menelik was delivered, himself half Oromo, by the Yejju, the Shoa Oromo joined the ranks courtesy of Ras Gobana Dache. Menelik II again in his death bed appointed his grandson the Yejju Oromo, Lij Iyasu, as the next Emperor.

He however gave it away spending his time being away in the east and Djibouti. His own Yejju Oromo, unseated him and decided to give the throne to Ras Tafari (Haile Selassie), himself a descendant of the Yejju. When he become Emperor and paid visit to Wollo, the Yejju spat at him in disgust.

The Arsi are powerful in their own rights but they played no role in Ethiopian history. They kept to themselves and ruled their own little world. During the Menelik expansion, it was his Yejju and Shoa Oromo generals who defeated the Arsi Oromo.

Even the TPLF came about because of the Yejju and Raya Oromo. Ask anyone what is the unofficial name of the current Gov and they will tell you "Woyane". Woyane is reference to the mid-1940s rebellion by the Yejju and Raya Oromo against Haile Selassie. This event became the genesis of TPLF manifesto. The rebellion started as early as 1920s though against taxation and land reforms. In order to hide this part of history, TPLF annexed these Oromo as "Tigrais"...so wikipedia and the likes can fill up pages as "Tigray rebellion".

[comeAndGo]

Of course Oromo is weak considering the most powerful Oromo, the Yejju and Rayya, are with Amhara as are those of Shoa and the Wellega.
Ras

Thank you for your analysis Hawdian.

I always thought that the Arsi are the most powerful Oromo because the have the best land and are over 5 million strong almost as big as Tigray.
The Yijju and Rayya are 1 million max and don't even live in Oromia. How can they be more powerful than Arussa??

I don't know the exact figures of the Yejju and Rayya but I would say they are at least 6 million. They do cover vast land from Wollo, Gonder to parts of Enderta in Tigray.

They have always played significant role in Ethiopia's power shift and even ruled Ethiopia as Muslim Oromo. They have been very infleuntial and powerful unit both politically and militarily. They were not only able to survive in such hostile region with so many warring factions but thrive and rule.

For me from 17th century to the last Emperor in the 19th century was probably one of their greatest era in Ethiopian history. It was unfortunate that rather than grab the throne for themselves they helped install leaders to thrones. Almost all generals and governors were of Yejju for example Ras Aligaz, Abba Seru, Ras Ali I (founder of Debre Tabor town, later was capital), Ras Faris of Lasta (north Wollo/Semien Mt), Dejazmach Alula (commander/general), Commander Sadiq, Yasufe, Ras Wolde Gabriel (relative of the future Empress of Ethiopia Taitu, who was married to Menelik II later she would kind of adopt his son/help him in the royal court), the list can go on and on. Of course we can't forget Ras Ali Mikael of Wollo and queen Workitu of Wollo, both who helped free Menelik II from prison and helped him expand corner to corner. Ras Ali of Wollo is said to posses an army of more than 100,000 men.

When the Habesha failed to compete with these elite Oromo group, they often played the good old religion card accusing them of being "Galla pagans" or "Muslim Ahmed Gragn". Of course the Yejju adopted and played their cards even greater than the Habesha. They even played low and pretended to be "converts" often take Geez titles but practiced their Islam. These are well known. They even infiltrated the Church and mixed things up between the various sect disputes namely the qibat, tesega lij, and sosit ledit. And later Europeans imported the Protestant and the Church was forced to compete with the more radical Pente (Evangelicals) too. It was all up for grabs.

Before them though the man with the joystick was Ras Ali II. Every month he appointed a leader only to be deposed by his own Yejju Oromo.

Once Menelik was delivered, himself half Oromo, by the Yejju, the Shoa Oromo joined the ranks courtesy of Ras Gobana Dache. Menelik II again in his death bed appointed his grandson the Yejju Oromo, Lij Iyasu, as the next Emperor.

He however gave it away spending his time being away in the east and Djibouti. His own Yejju Oromo, unseated him and decided to give the throne to Ras Tafari (Haile Selassie), himself a descendant of the Yejju. When he become Emperor and paid visit to Wollo, the Yejju spat at him in disgust.

The Arsi are powerful in their own rights but they played no role in Ethiopian history. They kept to themselves and ruled their own little world. During the Menelik expansion, it was his Yejju and Shoa Oromo generals who defeated the Arsi Oromo.

Even the TPLF came about because of the Yejju and Raya Oromo. Ask anyone what is the unofficial name of the current Gov and they will tell you "Woyane". Woyane is reference to the mid-1940s rebellion by the Yejju and Raya Oromo against Haile Selassie. This event became the genesis of TPLF manifesto. The rebellion started as early as 1920s though against taxation and land reforms. In order to hide this part of history, TPLF annexed these Oromo as "Tigrais"...so wikipedia and the likes can fill up pages as "Tigray rebellion".

What is with you. How can you give the first woyane tigrayan rebellions led by enderta leaders to the oromos. Since when did oromos pass alewuha river. There is pocket of oromos in the south eastern of raya awraja but that's about it, even them are totally assimiliated and are tegarus first.
Most of the rebellion of first woyane was based on enderta/ wejerat seb'a adi has never been with raya awraja. it was always with enderta, adi gudom the capital of bora selawa, had been the capital of enderta awraja during the 17th century that's where Ras suhul mikaeal of adwa originally hails from. ras alula is tembenai. There not even a pint of oromo blood in temben, alula
engida equbay is tigraway son of peasant(he was not royal tembenai).

just because there is pocket of oromos in raya doesnt make rayas oromos.. There is pocket of minorities that lives with in each awraja in tigray. So using your logic agames are sahos just there is one saho(erob) wereda.
there is kunamas in western tigray, teltals in enderta, agews in tembien, erobs in awraja, and oromos in raya. their combined numbers doesn't even pass more than 50,000. so doesn't make sense to label raya's as oromos. get of gadda.com's twisted version of history.

[WaaliCas]

ComeAgain

Thanks for the comedy bro.

Our Habesha brothers always undermined and downplayed the great Oromo...calling them pagans, Jihadist, "minority pockets". I know you inherited that culture but you need to free yourself and come to terms with the reality then will all Tigrais find sustainable and prosperous solution(s) otherwise the cycle of status quo will continue.

Personally speaking I celebrate the Ethiopia whose seeds were laid by the Oromo warriors but I'm not against nor biased against the others whose contributions were equally great.

The Rayya rebellion was an Oromo rebellion. We all know how TPLF annexed them in order to localize "Woyane" revolt as "Tigray rebellion". The facts are far from it. The few Endertans who were part of the rebellion are not even accepted by mainstream Tigrais as Tigrais. They are often viewed as "Adali" or "southern Dembiya subjects". They suffer from that inferiority and reject Endertans even Sebhat Nega calls them beggars and he is the main man in TPLF. Furthermore almost all the Endertans who joined the rebellion were married to Oromo, half Oromo or traded with Oromo and even carried Oromo names such as Gada (Gadaa). In the end, Endertans were sidelined from the TPLF regime.




The Yejju, the vanguards of Oromo and the Rayya of Azebo whom the Oromos call Rayyu.



Btw are you from Enderta or Tembien?

[BlueBlood]

i cant wait the day ethiopia explodes and disintegrates into pieces..my only worry is somalis will never unite but they rather prefer to live under shisheeye than another somali

[comeAndGo]

ComeAgain

Thanks for the comedy bro.

Our Habesha brothers always undermined and downplayed the great Oromo...calling them pagans, Jihadist, "minority pockets". I know you inherited that culture but you need to free yourself and come to terms with the reality then will all Tigrais find sustainable and prosperous solution(s) otherwise the cycle of status quo will continue.

Personally speaking I celebrate the Ethiopia whose seeds were laid by the Oromo warriors but I'm not against nor biased against the others whose contributions were equally great.

The Rayya rebellion was an Oromo rebellion. We all know how TPLF annexed them in order to localize "Woyane" revolt as "Tigray rebellion". The facts are far from it. The few Endertans who were part of the rebellion are not even accepted by mainstream Tigrais as Tigrais. They are often viewed as "Adali" or "southern Dembiya subjects". They suffer from that inferiority and reject Endertans even Sebhat Nega calls them beggars and he is the main man in TPLF. Furthermore almost all the Endertans who joined the rebellion were married to Oromo, half Oromo or traded with Oromo and even carried Oromo names such as Gada (Gadaa). In the end, Endertans were sidelined from the TPLF regime.




The Yejju, the vanguards of Oromo and the Rayya of Azebo whom the Oromos call Rayyu.



Btw are you from Enderta or Tembien?

Let me start by saying romodan kerim to you my friend. And my parents are from nader, axum but born and raised in agame/adigrat. Both my parents were teachers at agazi highschool in adigrat.

To the point, it laughable to debate on the origin of first woyane. When their motto was "OUR RELIGION AND FLAG IS THAT OF YOHANNES, OUR COUNTRY IS ETHIOPIA, OH TIGRAYANS JOIN THE WOYANE". woyane means uprising and its a tigrigna word, the leaders of the woyanes are wedi reda, wedi weldai, and wedi bezabih(they were all from enderta). I never heard of any connection to oromos, never married oromos, and they are the mekuaninits/royalties of enderta. how can they be oromos.

I will never undermine the oromos and their contirbution to ethiopia, they made ethiopia. Me saying the native oromo are minorities, i am referring to the one in tigray that live south eastern tip tigray region. i thought you got me on that one. sebhat's bluff is normal to who understands intra tigray rivalry and competition. and the beggars stereotype falls on a single place south of samre town near the border with wag(agews in lasta) they are the one who are mostly stereotyped as beggars. enderta is big and noble. The main bastion/headquarter of the woyanes was in may derho around hintalo/ the traditional capital of enderta/ and once was also capital of tigray.

You mostly switched the causes and the effects of the rebellion. the causes got little to do with heavy taxation. The main cause to the rebellion was actually autonomoy. tigray used to be autonomous throught it's existence and even minilik didnt change that. But hailesellasie byt the advice of the british(after the italian occupation) tried to centralize the administration, and called ras seyum mengesha yohannes(beloved through out tigray and grandson our father yohannes). to addis ababa and gave tigray to an amharay kifle dade.
The british was wary of the tigray nobility as the showans and they always do some trickes to weaken them, make fight them eachother and stuff like that. thats the main cause to the war and uprising of the tigrayan peasants.

The second most cause to the rebellion was deliberate rampant banditry and lawlessness that disturb the livelihood of the peasonts, and the central administraion didn't do anything about it. When the peasants capture the bandits and brought them to court, the amhara rulers in tigray used to pardon the bandits and set them free. this act got the peasonts furious and make them assemble weekly and solve every problems they have themselves and basically start to govern themselves, eventually agreed to revolt against the government. the start of the uprising was actually called arena at first(you probably heard the current party arena tigray that went ahead agains tplf in the recent election, the name steamed from this convention, arena means we became one/we agreed upon/reach consensus to rise against the government). its in the blood of the tegarus to raise against unjust rulers myfriend.

The rebellion was actually my one of my favorite part of tigray history and i ask a lot of elders about it, and they always told me tigrays were furious by the removal of ras seyum mengehsa yohannes from power. and that led to the rebellion. and the war was along quiha/ district of mekelle. and wejerat which is southern tip of enderta awraja. the main leaders was hailemariam reda and wedi woldai. the rayas are credited at blocking ras abebe aregay's army from advancing to enderta at korem. the woyanes controlled the whole tigray and hold elections to govern mekelle. the woyanes were actually more democrats and just than the current woyane. But it was short lived because british airforce bombed the shit out of them. mekelle and hintalo and corbetta was bombed and thousands of civilians also died.

hailemariam reda/wedi reda fled to afar and then to agame awraja and continued guerrila fighting hailesellasie army in agame for six years. after six years the agame elders begged him to surrender because the hailesellasie army used to burn their villages every time hailemariam redda attackes the convoy of hailesellasie. the army takes it out on the poor peasants. so wedi redda surrendered and was taken to custody in south ethiopia, after derg freed him and lives there for a while by buying a farm and actually got rich by farming in there. and was very respected guy. and passed away recently at old age.

the woyanes used to ask for help from kilteawlealo and agame and tembein awraja too. and peasonts used go to mekelle to join the struggle. the woyane movement was very known in the whole tigray. that's why tplf is called hibawi woyane harnet tigray or dagmay woyane(second woyane).

the consequence of the war was very heavy taxation and lose of territories of tigray region, half of raya were given to wollo province and western tigray/ welkait tsegede were given to gonder. and after the war the taxation was the worst and hailesellaise did a lot horrendous crimes on the people of tigray for embarrasing him. imagine he was revered as god in the whole ethiopia, and tigrayans were trying to fock him up. So he commited a lot of crimes on the people of tigray after he crushed them and beaten them never to rise again. he used to hang 10 to 20 people in markets all over cities of tigray. the taxation was so heavy it resulted in the famine in the sixties. and thousands of people perished.
the woyanes were also joined

[Siciid85]

Unstable Ethiopia means more Habashis in Somaliland, K5, Somalia, and Djibouti. Be careful what you wish for. Halkaa hanaga joogaan, ducona waan ugu darnay

[jalaaludin5]

Unstable Ethiopia means more Habashis in Somaliland, K5, Somalia, and Djibouti. Be careful what you wish for. Halkaa hanaga joogaan, ducona waan ugu darnay

When it comes ethiopia 85% of Somalis get emotional without thinking of the implications of their statement.

War in Ethiopia will have displaced people coming to us. God forbid.
-
-
-

[WaaliCas]

Wedi Hizbi wedi adey,

Kemey aleqa?

Thanks mate.

I see where you're coming from and exactly what you are talking about. No doubt the Tigrais fully embraced the revolt and went to the front line but let's give credit where it's due. It was all lit by the Rayya Oromo and it spread like wild bushfire.

The Tigrais were still resentful towards the Shoa establishment over how Tigrai lords were treated in post-Yohannes IV, post-Adwa battle and how Menelik sidelined them accusing them of being traitors.

Of course when Haile reformed the administrative powers, land laws and downsized their autonomous it was the final push.

Do you think TPLF would still won without EPLF? We all know EPLF installed TPLF in Menelik Palace.

Siciid85,

Wanlawein are not clever people. They always want destruction. Destruction for the neighbours, destruction against themselves, destruction...and disintegration. They think that's the solution to all things.

The unity of Ethiopia is good for the entire region. Its disintegration is like opening the flood gates of the Indian ocean. Everyone will drown and the fire will reach the entire region.

There are better ways to reach civil outcome for everyone. It is possible. End of the day we were all once one. Somalis are no Arabs nor are Habesha Israelites. Once we over come these myths we can work together for a better future.